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Do we want raz to continuethe monthly lists
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Yes, They are great! 21 52.50%
Yes, But need to be extended for all posters. 5 12.50%
Yes, but only for certai posters above a set post count 6 15.00%
No, Jamski says they are jsut for Spamming 7 17.50%
No, poor Raz needs a rest anyway 1 2.50%
Total: 40 voters 100%
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lord of the mark is offline lord of the mark
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Originally posted by Rasputin


and what is a CPA member ???


Coalition Provisional Authority

They'll have more time after June 30th.

lord of the mark is offline lord of the mark
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you class me with people who post "one smilie" posts.

I can't help but feel that is an attack against me.


Now why would you feel that way

Jamski has a point though, he DOES post a lot of really helpful stuff in many forums. OTOH, Im not sure that just because a post isnt in Community, proves its not spam. Ive heard things about the Rec Commons in SMAC, for example.......

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CPA actually means Communist Party of Apolyton here.

As for the lists and the spam charge, I can answer with a heartfelt "meh". If people like them, go for it. If not, do away with them. As for the +1 charge, WHO ****ING CARES. I've never posted for the sake of increasing post count, even if the posts themselves weren't all that enlightening or important. A lot of the "spam" in the thread is just to entertain others, and isn't that why we're here? To have a good time?

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As for the lists and the spam charge, I can answer with a heartfelt "meh". If people like them, go for it. If not, do away with them. As for the +1 charge, WHO ****ING CARES. I've never posted for the sake of increasing post count, even if the posts themselves weren't all that enlightening or important. A lot of the "spam" in the thread is just to entertain others, and isn't that why we're here? To have a good time?


alva is offline alva
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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt and now alva too


*Sbip *, I agree completely. The lists were entertaining, and a small amount of spam was sort of expected. I am horrified at what the May thread(s!) became.

Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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The lists were entertaining, and a small amount of spam was sort of expected. I am horrified at what the May thread(s!) became.


I completely agree with MWIA. The lists have been very entertaining as well as some of the comments. But we should all try to self restraint a little so that it does not become a mere +1 mechanism. I mean does anybody really thinks that the +1 is that important?

Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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Now why would you feel that way

Jamski has a point though, he DOES post a lot of really helpful stuff in many forums. OTOH, Im not sure that just because a post isnt in Community, proves its not spam. Ive heard things about the Rec Commons in SMAC, for example.......


You as well as others might have heard about the Rec Commons most probably because of me. I used every opportunity to criticize Jamski and Skanky for their drinking feast there. And they heard me, and they are not doing it now. The Rec Commons is still a thread for light hearted chattings, but posters are more self constrainted and the thread is filled less with posts with mere +1s.

I agree with many that the purpose we are here is to have a good time. If you feel your post will bring something useful to others, be it a helping hand with strategies, or a light hearted comment that could make somebody laugh, by no means post it. If you are posting your post because you want to get one more post count, please remember, there are things that people who actually read posts will notice, that is outside of the number of post counts.

Bloody Monk is offline Bloody Monk

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I like the lists. I find this stuff very interesting. Spam, what is spam?? and why is making a big deal about it any less spammy?? Depending on one's point of view, anything might be considered spam--or a troll--to someone.

That said, the quality of the postings have recently fallen off across the AC forum. For example, telling me you are working hard at achieving 100 ppd is like a magician revealing the trick. What's the fun in that?? Use some creativity for goodness sake!! This is ALL about YOU entertaining ME, and everyone else too, of course. So, as long as folk take more pride in their postings here, keep the lists coming.

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lord of the mark is offline lord of the mark
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I like the lists. I find this stuff very interesting. Spam, what is spam?? and why is making a big deal about it any less spammy??


Its not (Less spammy) Its called Metaspam. Whether or not most the more recent posts to this thread fall into that category, you may want to contemplate.

Last Conformist is offline Last Conformist
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Originally posted by Jamski

Firstly I find it extremely insulting to be called a spammer. Spam posts are posts you ignore, spam e-mail is deleted without being read, spam mail goes straight into the bin. By calling someone a spammer you are saying that their posts are worthless - that they are posting for the sake of getting more posts, or that their posts are lacking in any intrinsic worth.

Like it or not, people are using "spam" to refer to plentiful short posts of questionably on-topicness.
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So. I'll start by asking nicely, but my crusade against spam has begun. It will not be halted. I saw what happened on other forums when spam was allowed to run unchecked too long, and I spoke against it then, but was ignored. The forum almost died. I won't let it happen to the forum I love.

Not allow?
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I don't want to tell the mods how to do their job, but the best idea would be to move these lists to the OTF. We can have the same discussion - but I'll bet you my last Euro there is HALF the posts in a lists thread in the OT and from more different people when no one gets a +1 from commenting on other people getting +1s.

Here, I actually agree with you. Seems like something that rather belongs in OTF.
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There. My piece is said. Thankyou for your time, and don't point the Finger of Spam my way. You know who you are.


* Last Conformist points Finger of Spam at Jamski.

Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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CPA members are never even at the top


I'm a CPA member too tass. Although, I guess I'm not at the top either.

DrSpike is offline DrSpike
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I'd like the lists to continue, because they are fun. However, if Ming wanted to post at the top saying "oi, if it gets out hand I'm watching " that would probably be a good thing.

As to the wider issue, Jamski isn't trolling, he is serious. On some of his points I can sympathise: those who posts unintelligible posts regularly are not in the same class as those who post a lot but more thoughtfully, even when posting frivolously, so to speak.

However, I too fail to see the distinction between the A/C spam in Raz's threads and the spam in the Rec Commons threads, which was truly much worse.

Gramphos is offline Gramphos
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The lists are perfect spammer detectors, especialy the shorter time ranges.

Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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To be fair, I bring you different flavors of spams:

Heart of Fire Tracking Tread at the AC-Multiplaying Started 4/22/04, total posts 491
English thread at the AC-General/Help/Strategy forum Started 5/7/04, total posts 265
Recreation Commons - Twelfth Floor: Unity II Departure Lounge at the AC-Democracy Team Game forum Started 5/5/04, total posts 282
May List and May Lists threads at the Apolyton/Community forum Started 5/3/04, total posts 651

For people who have time to browse through these samples, which flavor do you like?

I of course like all kind of flavors, but I would like to say that the first flavor is my favorate. It is so very rich.

DrSpike is offline DrSpike
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The lists are perfect spammer detectors, especialy the shorter time ranges.


You mean Ming doesn't discourage the lists because he wants Raz to dig his own grave?

Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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Btw compare the starting dates and post counts of the last two samples it is not hard to see which is the worse case. The content is of course a much more important factor, which in our case do not change anything in my opinion.

Arnelos is offline Arnelos
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Wow... Jamski being anti-spam and Ming being fairly laid back concerning the subject.

Who swapped their bodies?

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Whilst being a notorious Heavy poster and at times i agree i spam with the best of them most of my posts are also made in the gaming sections whether it be civ3, civ2 or other games...

i come to poly to pass time and enjoy the little things that go on here, I never respond to everyones calls ofme being a spammer cause i know what i am, the only one to rile me was jamski as honghu pointed out he and spikey were big contributers to the Drinknig Threads. Now they seem to have settled down and got back to just posting in the funareas and making light entertainment for all.

I started these lists as a few people were approaching deity and it seemed interesting to make a spreadsheet to see how they were getting there, I for one then became more and more involved in the lists and found i had to keep expanding them to show posting patterns of people.

I totally agree that mays lists threads were overly posted at , the first few months were much better controlled.

I know the mods do read and check them and if or when they ever get totaly out of hand i usually ask that they are closed to stop it. last month i forgot to get it closed. my apologies for that.

The poll here is for the very purpose of seeing how the feelings of apolyton posters is to the lsits. If Ming or Rah said hey this is spam i would stop.

I usually push the barriers sometimes till i am warned and i know in the past i have received PCR for spamming.. Thats all good.

I hope the lists are appreciated and continue , and i am sure they will providing people use common sense and i guess ultimately if the mods think it too much they will PCR/Ban the culprits or clsoe the thread.

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the only one to rile me was jamski as honghu pointed out he and spikey were big contributers to the Drinknig Threads.


I don't recall ever posting there. They were much too shameless for me.

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and as i busy with work and a little bit of a social life i wont be posting as much as i used to. please forgive my abscence....

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Now and again I think of something funny relating to what I've just read and feel the need to share with 'polytubbies also reading that thread. This will often amount to little more than a one-liner, but if I deem it worthy of posting then I'll make the post, regardless of whether others might consider it spam or not.
I totally agree that there is no need for single smiley posts. If you can't express yourself in language then why bother? The smilies are meant to add a little colour to the posts, to get across a tone of voice that does not come across when you're just posting messages to an internet forum. You know you're joking when you make the post, but it's far more sensible to include a smiley so that they don't get offended by it.

You're all spammers, everyone's a spammer.

See?

The most spammy posts I've made have been in Hangman, with many of but a single letter. This is vital to the game (it'd be pretty dumb if you had to explain why you'd chosen each letter when you guessed), and can't be avoided, so maybe it would be better if Hangman was rehomed to the OT. However, the game would drop like a stone there, and rah approved the rules so that no-one can post too often in the thread. It seems to be running fine so far.

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I didn't get my post count because I wanted to get a large post count. It just happened. This is what happens if you are involved in democracy games for a long while, PBEMs, running forum games, SMAC strategy discussions, BG help etc etc etc.

There. My piece is said. Thankyou for your time, and don't point the Finger of Spam my way. You know who you are.

-Jam


* MrWhereItsAt arches an eyebrow.

Riiight. I know DGs, and this is unheard of. And I'm in 6 of the things. Eight if you count my inactive ones.

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DarkCloud is offline DarkCloud
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You know, personally, I hate to say this but I'm on the side of the people who were absolutely disgusted by the May Threads.

People talking about how they are going to 'spam' to get to deity is just disgusting. It gives posters like myself, who are obsessed with post counts but attempt to achieve them legitimately and who find people posting +1 and just spewing trash annoying, a bad reputation. Inane conversation revolving merely around 'well, I need to spam more' serves no purpose and really should achieve a 10% PCR reduction if not more. It wastes bandwith and people's time to read.

I find the lists interesting and intriguing and study them as best I can. What I don't find interesting and intriguing is how posters devalue the threads by posting trash in them.

In the old days, threads such as Provost Harrison's guild of emperor's listing all the emperors and my own Apolyton Army listing PPD were looked down upon by the moderators and very nearly found themselves shut as 'club threads' and as encouraging 'spam'. Nowadays, people talk about post count all the time- and while that is good- their talk isn't about where they are posting... or how long until they get to a level (which is legitimate discussion) but no, instead it is 'I need to post more just to achieve a level"... and even that's all right- but the same **@# idiot posts the same #*#% thing every three posts. THAT serves no purpose. And is just redundant.

Well, that's just my two cents.

PS: Please keep doing the lists Rasputin, I love them

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PS: Please keep doing the lists Rasputin, I love them


No surprise coming from a list addict like you.

And DC... these threads serve a great purpose... it points out to the mods who the big spammers are, and gives me a target list of people to pay closer attention to

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All the more challenge to get away with things then.
Ahem. Yes, pay attention to that Rasputin fellow. Nasty chap, that one.

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I say Ming is getting a little soft now. Almost unlike Ming sometimes. For the list to be continuing to come without causing many complaints, I say the mods need to apply iron fists a little more frequently.

You are still the greatest, though. And whatever you do, is always the most correct. What I just mumbled, is just my humble opinion, which you don't really need to pay much attention, if you don't want to.

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I think that people who enjoy spamming the lists should be free to do so if they truely enjoy it, and that those who dont like the lists should (shock!) not go into the thread

Kalius is offline Kalius
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You know, personally, I hate to say this but I'm on the side of the people who were absolutely disgusted by the May Threads.


I find it atrocious that people can abuse a system, which is designed not to show who can make the most inane comments as opposed to who has made pertinent comments, to inflate their own egos.

Apropos of the subordinate clause in the above statement, it is all good and well when there is the occassional funny post, but discussing how to spam, and how to get around the moderators is something I thought I left behind in primary school.

Now, I'm not the most active poster, but such flagrant abuse of a system undermines the entire point, and makes me slide slightly more toward scrapping titles all together.

Having said that, there is nothing wrong with the lists, as they are informative. Lists sans "how to spam" comments are what I would like to see.

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I find it atrocious that people can abuse a system, which is designed not to show who can make the most inane comments


Actually, to be truthful, the system is designd to show who can make the most inane comments. There isnt an "average post length" counter or anysuch, only a post counter.
Obviously, those who post more posts have a higher postcount.

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If you look back at what forums started out as, they were discussion forums regarding a specific topic, and if you said a lot about the topic, you got a +1s for it.

Unfortunately, it is obvious that there are some who think that abusing the system makes them better, which, in my opinion, is not accurate to the point at all.

Makes you wonder what happened to a crackdown on spam.

On the other hand, I find a lot of Jamski's posts with regard to spam are not far from the truth at all, unfortunately.

 
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