26-05-2004 21:12									#1
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So, does my country have a big industrial sector or not?

quote: The private sector is almost wholly made up of enterprising fourteen-year-old boys selling lemonade on the sidewalk, although the government is looking at stamping this out.

quote: Noosland is ranked 4th in the region and 681st in the world for Largest Publishing Industry.

	26-05-2004 22:20									#2
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that is all double dutch to me

	27-05-2004 04:40									#3
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I would say that the Private sector includes all of the companies not owned and operated by the government. So Im guessing all of the operations in your 4th ranked publishing industry are owned and operated by the government.

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quote: Originally posted by xiaodave I would say that the Private sector includes all of the companies not owned and operated by the government. So Im guessing all of the operations in your 4th ranked publishing industry are owned and operated by the government.

Yes, there's a reason why it's called the PRIVATE sector...

	27-05-2004 11:12									#5
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ye you have a huge Publishibg industry... Hoepfully if we ever have a Harry Potter Book War. I will be on your side as you obviously are the best,


Also if it gets hot in summer, i want to be your friend, those lemonade stands are very good.


Just make sure you befreind some nations that make something else other than lemonade and books


PS.. Just teasing, it al lgood...

	27-05-2004 22:01									#6
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Yes, there's a reason why it's called the PRIVATE sector...

When did NS start considering public sector?

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Maybe your country is just screwed up.

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Bugger off

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the things people do to make them selves feel bigger

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger When did NS start considering public sector?

When it ranked my economy as being 'Frightening', perhaps? Or when it told me I had a large agricultural sector when private enterprise is illegal?

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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus When it ranked my economy as being 'Frightening', perhaps? Or when it told me I had a large agricultural sector when private enterprise is illegal?

So why would a nation's economy drop like a rock if capitalism is outlawed?

	29-05-2004 10:59									#13
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Ever taken a look at Russia? Besides, it does always; again, look at Centralis. Before outlawing private enterprise, the econoym was Frightening; afterwards, it was (surprise, surprise!) still Frightening.

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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Ever taken a look at Russia? Besides, it does always; again, look at Centralis. Before outlawing private enterprise, the econoym was Frightening; afterwards, it was (surprise, surprise!) still Frightening.

maybe NS doesnt recognise hte private enterprise outlawing in its calculation ??

	29-05-2004 11:48									#15
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Um... what?

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well it didnt change your economy rating so maybe it doesnt take the fact you outlawed private enterprise into the frightening status..

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I see no reason why that would be the case; rather, my economy was simply strong enough that it could absorb the change without any serious downsides.

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if the outlawing was just an issue that was raised , it probalby low on the basis that NS uses to do the calcs..

As you said Russia is classic case, Communism somehow doesnt match the output of Capitlaist ,, But it interesting anyway

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quote: if the outlawing was just an issue that was raised , it probalby low on the basis that NS uses to do the calcs..

Again, what? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

quote: As you said Russia is classic case, Communism somehow doesnt match the output of Capitlaist ,, But it interesting anyway

Actually, my point regarding Russia was the effects of making the transition from one to the other - from semi-feudalism to communism, and more recently, from communism to capitalism. Both of these transitions caused massive economic damage, because they were so drastic and abrupt.

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ok to lay it out in simple terms,


The term "Frightening " econmy" is a NAtionStates term, based on your resposnes to the issues raised each day.

It puts certain values on certain responses. this then goes into its calculation to make its decision on what your econmy is and what your major industrys are.

So if "outlawing Private enterprise" was an issue you enacted then if it doesnt alter your NationsTates econmoy then it musnt hav eput much worth on that decision

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Except that in other cases, it does affect the economy significantly, as UR himself pointed out. My point in response is that if you manage the economy well, it doesn't have too much impact.

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ok now i undrstand your point, based on al lother decisions you are stil lcarrying...

Good to see some people RP their nations correctly... unlike some that ignore what NS says about their economies and industries

	29-05-2004 12:27									#23
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Ever taken a look at Russia?

I don't think NS's economic model is anywhere remotely sophisticated enough to start comparing to real world situations. I mean, Noosland has some of the biggest industries in the region, but the economy is ranked "imploded."

However, your case is interesting. The former USSR, by all accounts, had a better economy status than Imperial Russia.

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Not immediately after the changeover, which is what I'm taking about. In NS terms, they outlawed private enterprise, took the hit, and then starting doing stuff to boost the economy.

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Has anyone noticed that the top of the scale in Nation States are bad results.

RT)Economic -----------Political Freedoms-----Civil Rights(-- )

(15)Frightening----------Corrupted--------------Widely Abused
(14)All-Consuming------Widely Abused---------Frightening
(13)Powerhouse---------Excessive --------------Excessive
(12)Thriving-------------World Benchmark------World Benchmark
(11)Very Strong---------Superb-----------------Superb
(10)Strong---------------Excellent---------------Excellent
(09)Good----------------Very good-------------Very Good
(08)Fair------------------Good------------------Good
(07)Reasonable----------Average----------------Average
(06)Developing-----------Below Average--------Below Average
(05)Struggling------------Some-------------------Some
(04)Weak----------------Few--------------------Few
(03)Fragile---------------Rare--------------------Rare
(02)Basket Case---------Unheard Of-------------Unheard Of
(01)Imploded------------Outlawed---------------Outlawed


Level 12 seems to be the cut off for a healthy sector, perhaps 13 in economy. But All-consuming and frightening are not good economies to have.

	29-05-2004 12:41									#26
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My other country:

E: Frightening
P: Very good
C; Very good

	29-05-2004 12:42									#27
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Yes, I've seen that argument before; that comparison would suggest that when you get to All-Consuming or Frightening, your economy is getting too large in some way. While you can argue about whether this means that it's better to aim for a lower economy ranking, I don't see what that has to do with this discussion.

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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Except that in other cases, it does affect the economy significantly, as UR himself pointed out. My point in response is that if you manage the economy well, it doesn't have too much impact.

My point was perhaps it doesnt have as much impact because a 'frightening' economy is already broken. Therefore, outlawing private enterprise would only make it a little more broken.

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'Broken' in what sense?

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I don't think NS's economic model is anywhere remotely sophisticated enough to start comparing to real world situations. I mean, Noosland has some of the biggest industries in the region, but the economy is ranked "imploded." However, your case is interesting. The former USSR, by all accounts, had a better economy status than Imperial Russia.

I think the 3+ billion population makes up for the imploded economy. You probably cant beat a 2.5bil country with a powerful economy, but you probably easily beat my 29 million population powerhouse economy.