27-05-2004 00:55									#1
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I was interested to note in a post about a week ago someone saying that he almost always uses the city governors to look after his cities. I can't remember which aspect it was: people happiness, wealth, or producing offensive or defensive units.

I have never used them. I've always decided what my people should be doing on the land, and what each of my cities should be producing or building.

Then I wondered if many of you ever use the governors? If so, in what circumstances and in what ways do you find it beneficial.

	27-05-2004 01:12									#2
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No. They just don't understand what I need them to build.

The only time I use them is short timer MP games, but most people here at Apolyton don't play MP.

	27-05-2004 02:41									#3
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When my empire get too friggin' large, I use them to control happiness.

	27-05-2004 03:01									#4
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Happiness here as well. It's very useful during long wars. Just keep an eye if your cities start to starve

	27-05-2004 04:46									#5
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Good stuff. Thanks for the help.

	27-05-2004 07:50									#6
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I only use governors during government changes when not a religious civ. After the switch I turn them off and cycle through each of the cities to allocate the cits to my choosing.

	27-05-2004 11:34									#7
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I keep meaning to use them, but never get around to it

One of these days I will handicap myself by playing with the city governors always on.

Well I could play Sid level, but I'm not masochist.

	28-05-2004 01:56									#8
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I use the Governors for moderate to large empires but do a fair bit of tweaking to increase their efficiency. I find that once you go through the cities and allocate tiles that the governors don’t completely reshuffle them when “manage…in all cities” is selected. You then go through and undo the things you don’t like. The advantage of this is that most cities don’t fall into disorder if trade conditions change during the AI turns because the Govs will step in to prevent it. Essentially you’re saying that you’ll accept some inefficiency turn by turn to prevent massive unexpected disruptions and to avoid having to micro-manage large areas of the game every turn...even if you are a masochist.

	28-05-2004 11:02									#9
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Never used them. I prefer to control my cities manually.
Sometimes it's a pain to cycle trough all of them, but it works fine and good.

Of course once in a while you have to check if there are cities low on food etc. But that can easily be done in the F1 screen.

	28-05-2004 16:05									#10
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I use them to control happiness during more or less the entire game. I just cant be bothered to mess around for hours with citizen placements for a tiny increase in efficiency.

	28-05-2004 19:13									#11
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Ok..so it looks as though Governors will best suit me as I continue my learning curve in CIVIII Conquests to control Happiness!

I know I often automate my workers and then next thing they are cruising around the map doing nothing..costing me money paying wages,vactaion time,medical, w/c claims!! ..

Oh..Im sorry..I was just

As a Governor I wouold hope he could "Impress" upon my people to stay Happy so as I dun need to let the governor "adjust" any unhappiness levels!!

Peace

Grandpa "Governor-usage-galore"Troll

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	28-05-2004 22:33									#12
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Happiness governor only late in the game. He'll put citizens back to work on tiles cleaned up by my automated workers.

IIRC, governors are the only way to prevent disorder from end-of-turn events like ww or loss of a resource. They also will prevent city growth from causing disorder, however you should be able to see that one coming.

	28-05-2004 22:43									#13
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I only use the Gov in Single Player Games - especially when the Empire is large and scattered...

I do not trust the Gov in PBEM games...
Afterall he is a politican, and they are easily bribed

	29-05-2004 03:58									#14
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I tend to use the happiness governor in new conquests and othe unimportant cities.

	29-05-2004 04:13									#15
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I use the governor to "emphasize production" (that only) because we have found by micro-managing that the AI governor is more likely to assign the free pop-increase tile to a high-shield tile this way (credit goes to E_T for discovering this).

This is important because when you're micro-managing to that level, you will quickly notice that when you have a pop increase, the AI will automatically assign an EXTRA tile for the turn of increase and give you the shields on the tile (even though you really shouldn't be getting that production until the NEXT turn in my opinion). The bonus is only shields, however, not for trade or food.

As I said, setting the AI Governor to "emphasize production" in all of your cities slightly increases the probability that the AI will make this free tile be a high shield tile... since only shields matter for the free tile, you want it to pick that juicy mined mountain tile rather than another grassland tile.

	29-05-2004 05:19									#16
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I use governors to manage happiness, and a concentration on production and commerce.

	29-05-2004 10:39									#17
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Never use governors myself. Everything runs better if I'm in charge.

	29-05-2004 10:50									#18
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I never use governors. I don't trust them

	29-05-2004 16:07									#19
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@Arnelos: That sounds like a bug.

	29-05-2004 18:51									#20
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The best place to us them, IMNSHO, is when you have just taken over a large city and have lots of resistors.

Now we all know that you end resistance by placing units in the newly aquired city. You then either make all the workers into scientist or taxmen to lower the population or just so you don't have any "unhappy" people. But, due to the order in which things occure in all your cities upon starting the next turn, your garisoned troops will quell some of the resistors. Those resistor then tell the computer to reorganize the Work Force for the city. When it does this, and there is no Governer turned on, the work force will emphasize food, then production, then commerce, and finally happiness. Generally, you aren't going to have enough of a population to keep the city happy when this happens and your city will go into Roiting. However, if you turn on the governer emphasizing happiness in a city that you just took over, the work force will be reset to happiness first (which means the governer will starve the city to keep it happy if it needs to), then food, production, commerce and so on. The trick is to remember to turn off the governer once all the resistor have been quelled.

	29-05-2004 19:03									#21
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so it looks as though we should sparingly use Governors?

Ok..I am still tring to learn..coming from Call To Power!

Thanks all..will continue to monitor posts!!

Maybe Ill balance between a Military Advisor as my Governor and then all Hades will break loose?

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	30-05-2004 16:51									#22
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hi ,

well from time to time they are okay , .....

as for the actual use , , about 40 %

have a nice day

	30-05-2004 17:14									#23
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , well from time to time they are okay , ..... as for the actual use , , about 40 % have a nice day

40%..during early years or later in the game?

Just trying to figure is all....

	30-05-2004 20:50									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll 40%..during early years or later in the game? Just trying to figure is all....

May I ask why exactly you post a picture everytime you post?

	30-05-2004 22:55									#25
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Now I have another question re governors. I know to turn one on you go to the city map and press G; but is there a shortcut key that lets me set the governors in every city to, say, producing offensive units?

Reason I ask is that I'm China in my current game and am trying to build up a bunch of Riders before invading my neighbour. It would be easier to do them all at once (if possible) than going to each city and setting the governor.

	30-05-2004 23:15									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master May I ask why exactly you post a picture everytime you post?

Ahhh...This is a simple answer:

Like the dog..

BECAUSE I CAN!!!

	30-05-2004 23:26									#27
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When you choose to select a governor, there is a button at the top that says "Apply to all cities". At least, that is what I can remember

	30-05-2004 23:26									#28
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I'm not really into micro, but on this I have a short and long answer.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Hell no.

(Of course, abusing the governor for micro is a good idea, but I'm not quite on that level yet!)

And Grandpa, I find the pictures in every post a bit annoying and distracting...please don't add pictures unless they actually have a point. It's like ending each post with a pointless non-sequitur paragraph. Like you finish a long post about some fine point of Civ strategy (like some obscure reason you may want to use a SGL for research), but just before you go you give us a quick summary of not your post but why we should have our pets spayed or neutered. Which is sort of what Bob Barker does, but never mind that...

- Kef

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	30-05-2004 23:30									#29
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I never use governors unless I can use it to ensure a certain tile is used when a city grows a population point.

	30-05-2004 23:34									#30
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quote: Originally posted by furrykef I'm not big into micro, but on this I have a short and long answer. Short answer: No. Long answer: Hell no. (Of course, abusing the governor for micro is a good idea, but I'm not quite on that level yet!) And Grandpa, I find the pictures in every post well within your rights and it is not like the rest of us do not do things that distract from the posts!..please add pictures unless you decide not to, actually I have a point. It's like Free Dpeech, you have that right you know! but never mind that...It aint none of my business, I am a moron and I am sticking my nose in your business which is not right and well I am sorry if I or anyone else is rude. Please forgive us for trying to dictate to you. On behalf of these other folks whom post topics that are mindless or stupid as we all do sometimes, please its your deal, so carry on!! - Kef

Thanks I will...please dont worry i forgive you..and thanks for the information about the governors!