27-05-2004 12:39									#1
	Big posts should count as +1 in OT Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Just finished another 1000+ characters post in the OT.
And I suddenly wondered, if someone types more than 100 chars in a post it can hardly be concidered as spam anymore.

Unless it just says: BLABLABLA or something like that, but that's easily recognizable for the moderators.

Why not let, say, 100+ characters posts count in the OT?
I'm sure that would leave us with more valuable discussions and threads, while spam would not pay off. (but people can still post their one word comments, whitout running the risk to get a spam PCR)

Pherhaps it can even count for all the forums: only 50+ /100+ posts count as a +1.

Another feature might be: post in people's profiles the avg number of chars of their postings.
I'm "only" a king, but sometimes I wonder if I haven't typed more letters on poly than the avg deity?

This post can be an example

	27-05-2004 15:04									#2
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I like it! Its a great idea! It should go into effect immeadietly!

	27-05-2004 15:30									#3
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It's not the size of the posts that makes OT posts not count, it's the fact they are OT. If they are a million words this is still the case, and thus the chances of the owners changing their opinion on this issue, which has been stated many times, is essentially zero.

	27-05-2004 15:42									#4
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Then we can still have the 'avg chars inpost' feature.

But I thought that the OT +0 decision was made bc of the huge amount of spam in the OT.

	27-05-2004 16:53									#5
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First... it will never happen

But let's say that it did... All you would have to do is cut and paste some meaningless story... or just use the quote feature... I can see it now... you post a 100 to 500 word meaningful and insightful post (unlike the one that started this thread ) and the next poster hits the reply with quote figure and adds a simple thumbs up icon...

This would lead to even more spam in the OT... and would make it almost impossible to make it through a thread where most of the posts were over 100 characters

	27-05-2004 17:01									#6
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It's easy with javascript to not count the quoted characters. I can make such a script.

And of course it's always good to have the rule that one shouldn't quote for no reason. AND PCR for useless quotes

	27-05-2004 17:44									#7
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We have enough work as it is... patrolling for illegal use of quotes is a little too much to ask

	27-05-2004 18:25									#8
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But then you could recruit more moderators...

	27-05-2004 18:32									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns But then you could recruit more moderators...

Just what we need... to have to find somebody stupid enough to except the job, but also somebody that doesn't want it. The best mods are the people that don't ask to be mods

	27-05-2004 18:43									#10
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I don't like this. It's not like the size of a post is a good indication of spamhood anyway.

	27-05-2004 18:56									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Ming We have enough work as it is... patrolling for illegal use of quotes is a little too much to ask

there's no need to patrol for that.
Any post you see with a big quote in it is toast.

Besides that, you ignore what I said about with javascript removing the quotes from the character-count.

	27-05-2004 18:59									#12
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What exactly, beyond gettin' me a custom avatar sooner, would be the point in having some OTF posts count for postcount?

	27-05-2004 19:25									#13
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What is the point of postcount anyway?
But for me it would be the feeling that all the typing I did won't go unnoticed, and will at least be rewarded with a postcount point

It gives you the feeling that your staying on poly makes sence. Which does profit poly, since that feeling made me become an inmate.

	27-05-2004 19:43									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Just what we need... to have to find somebody stupid enough to except the job, but also somebody that doesn't want it. The best mods are the people that don't ask to be mods

My point exactly.
And the answer is no.

	27-05-2004 19:46									#15
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy What is the point of postcount anyway?

A measure of how active a poster is?

quote: But for me it would be the feeling that all the typing I did won't go unnoticed, and will at least be rewarded with a postcount point It gives you the feeling that your staying on poly makes sence. Which does profit poly, since that feeling made me become an inmate.

I'd actually rather like if OTF posts counted - discluding those, but not the equally non-civ-related ones here seems arbitrary - but discriminating based on character count seems downright weird to me. Count all the spam or none of it.

	27-05-2004 20:34									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns My point exactly. And the answer is no.

Is Skanky pretending he doesn't want the job?

	27-05-2004 20:42									#17
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quote: Just finished another 1000+ characters post in the OT. And I suddenly wondered, if someone types more than 100 chars in a post it can hardly be concidered as spam anymore.

'Cause no-one can be bothered to read them?

	27-05-2004 20:52									#18
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er, you get the plus one anyway, Boris, no need to go over the top

	27-05-2004 21:00									#19
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I guess there's a splendid irony in the fact that this thread is turning to a gratituous spamfest ...

	27-05-2004 21:37									#20
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy What is the point of postcount anyway?

I wonder about this from time to time, especially in the midst of a spamfest like we recently were graced with here. "Threads with posts about nothing, a summer replacement series...uncover the fine line between friendly, sometimes interesting banter and meaningless +1 tangents."

Two paraphrases come to mind...

"Imagine no more post counts, ...."

"I have a dream, that one day, posters will be judged by the quality of their offerings rather than the sheer number they can throw at the boards."

And this observation...

Post counts are like hitting in baseball. If folk would just focus on making contact, the batting average (PC) will take care of itself. And the game will be more fun for everyone. Fun things like watching as an active warlord gets kissed by a frog and becomes a prince (you know who you are )

It is obvious from the vitality of the OTF that having posts there count is completely unnecessary for it to thrive. Can the same be said for the rest of the site??

Monk

	27-05-2004 21:40									#21
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Is Skanky pretending he doesn't want the job?

Extra work.
No benefits. (I'm already a subscriber)
Can get you banned for a week whenever you get drunk... (although that just tends to happen if you have other Polytubbies over)

No, I'm actually serious for once. Please, sit down until you recover from the shock.

	27-05-2004 22:09									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Can get you banned for a week whenever you get drunk.

That can happen either way.

	27-05-2004 22:38									#23
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I'm still waiting. I already quit once so I obviously don't want the job!

	27-05-2004 22:42									#24
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike That can happen either way.

Through weeks of dedicated experimentation, I can confirm that "civilian" drunkness does not get you banned. As you can see, I can post now. Hell, if you need more proof just look at Rasputin.
The one time we knew Ming was drunk though, tkljekrfe;lafsdjksef,e;lf

* Skanky Burns is dragged off while still typing

	27-05-2004 23:03									#25
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quote: Fun things like watching as an active warlord gets kissed by a frog and becomes a prince (you know who you are )

who the hell are you talking about?

	27-05-2004 23:11									#26
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It was a tip o the hat to a recently active new prince...a bit of inside irony in a post about +1s. But, I would be the last one to name him.

Monk

	28-05-2004 00:22									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Through weeks of dedicated experimentation, I can confirm that "civilian" drunkness does not get you banned.

What if all the energy and ingenuousness invested in such projects instead went to solving, say, world hunger or AIDS?

	28-05-2004 00:27									#28
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Then politicians would be out of a job.

	28-05-2004 00:29									#29
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I swear that the Apolyton Community now rots my brain way more than the OT. I'm starting to tend towards the campaign to abandon PCs* altogether.

*That is post counts, not personal computers. I'm not that drastically inclined.

	28-05-2004 00:39									#30
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Simple, but all inclusive answer to why posts do not count as +1 in OTF under any circumstances:

THIS IS A GAMING SITE

remember?