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The Emperor Fabulous is offline The Emperor Fabulous
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Why should Ted get to have all the fun?

I say we all hit her...with really large fish

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I'd hit it.


With a neutron bomb.



A great writer who uses stunning imagery, Ben? You know, the aforementioned Hitler impressed a lot of people with the imagery in his writings and speeches, too.

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Hannity does not display the characteristics of a fool. He is informed and creative. He does fit the characteristics of a zealot...which can be far more dangerous than any fool.

i never said that, i merely pointed out that on his radio show, he doesn't make himself look too bright with what we've termed as the "circle-jerk praise" he does.

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Why? She's a great writer.

A model for conciseness, with stunning imagery.

right you are.
Mineta's Bataan Death March

from it, these five paragraphs, with the last three being the most racially charged.
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Let the record reflect that among President George Bush's dazzling team of advisers, the only stink-bomb is the one Democratic holdover from the Clinton administration. It is absolutely contemptible that Bush will not rid us of this scourge.

It is safe to assume that it was not Mineta's stellar accomplishment of having sat on the House Public Works and Transportation Committee for 18 years that has led both Republican and Democratic presidents to seek his services so ardently. He is given plumb government jobs solely and exclusively because he is a minority.

But Secretary Mineta is burning with hatred for America. He has taken the occasion of the most devastating attack on U.S. soil to drone on about how his baseball bat was taken from him as a child headed to one of Franklin Roosevelt's Japanese internment camps.

As Mineta has endlessly recounted in interviews of late: "I remember on the 29th of May, 1942" – note that he remembers the day – "when we boarded the train in San Jose under armed guard, the military guard, I was in my Cub Scout uniform carrying a baseball, baseball glove and a baseball bat. And as I boarded the train, the MPs confiscated the bat on the basis it could be used as a lethal weapon."

Good God! A guard took Mineta's baseball bat as a child, and as a result he's subjecting all of America to the Bataan Death March! Someone please give him a baseball bat.


stunning in the enormity of its racial charge. if it's not racist, it sure as hell comes close.

•note that mineta is a democrat.
•note that mineta is asian american, and therefore, in the eyes of many a white american, automagically somehow "foreign" and "exotic".
•note that as a "foreigner", he displays all the characteristics other foreigners have when they have been wronged by america: remembrance of the date of the slight and a burning hatred for the nation.
•note that mineta, an asian american, who suffered under what was one of the single worst ideas ever done by the united states during ww2 by being sent to a concen-er, internment camp, is linked to the atrocities committed by imperial japan, of which he was not a citizen. was he disloyal because of his ethnicity? after all, all asians are loyal to their home countries, are they not? more so than here, because we're all planning on going back some day.
•note how coulter takes an entire paragraph to point out that mineta obviously got his job by being a minority, and one can assume from the entire thrust of that paragraph, probably took it from a more deserving white person.

stunning, yes. what's even more stunning is that she hasn't had to retract it, not for want of action on the part of concerned asian american groups, but because nobody who isn't asian american seems to give a damn.

imagine what the reaction would have been had she said similar things about powell.

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good example Q. anyone who supports coulter's hate mongering need not be taken seriously

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what is it with some people who troll on the rightist side of things using racially charged attacks? ann coulter, for instance, or michael savage.

seriously, it's easy enough to troll liberals that you don't need to alienate a potential voting bloc by having members of that wing saying such unpleasant things.

i mean, seriously? may 21, savage says this:
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"Researchers have surprising news about what breeds of dogs came first and which dogs are more closely related." What do I give a rat's behind about which dog is related? Why is this study done? All I know is we treat dogs very well here, and the great originators of the dog eat them. How come they don't put that in their story about 'em, the Asians still chew 'em up? In China they're in cages waiting to be cooked. Yeah, I know, you're not supposed to say that. All the quiet, sacred soy eaters over there.

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If you insert the word "Jew" instead of "liberal"... Ann Coulter sounds like Hitler.


So, Sava, when are we going to find you naked and drunk behind the burning Congress?

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Let's not hurt our arms giving O'Reilly a pat on the back here.

After all, making Ann Coulter look stupid is only slightly more difficult than making fun of the French.

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I gotta give O'Reilly respect. I expected him to side with Coulter because of the conservative leanings of both.

O'Reilly, even tho he does say some bad things, doesn't BS (that much comparitively).

That Coulter should just shaddap.

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Hannity does not display the characteristics of a fool. He is informed and creative.


okay... now that I've contained my laughter... I guess Hannity is informed and creative. I mean, you need to be creative to make up all the bullshit that he propagates. And I guess you need to be informed of the facts when you make up **** that is totally bogus.

Coulter? she's a fascist and a nutbag... I guess I understand why BK likes her.

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Hannity is a buffoon who wouldn't be in journalism in any other country. His show is the worst kind of populist tripe and his books betray a six year old's grasp of economics and international relations.

But I suppose there is an audience of like minded people.

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But Secretary Mineta is burning with hatred for America. He has taken the occasion of the most devastating attack on U.S. soil to drone on about how his baseball bat was taken from him as a child headed to one of Franklin Roosevelt's Japanese internment camps.

As Mineta has endlessly recounted in interviews of late: "I remember on the 29th of May, 1942" (note that he remembers the day) "when we boarded the train in San Jose under armed guard, the military guard, I was in my Cub Scout uniform carrying a baseball, baseball glove and a baseball bat. And as I boarded the train, the MPs confiscated the bat on the basis it could be used as a lethal weapon."

Good God! A guard took Mineta's baseball bat as a child, and as a result he's subjecting all of America to the Bataan Death March! Someone please give him a baseball bat.




I don't like Coulter, but I fail to see how this is racist. Insensitive, yes, but certainly not racist.

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It's subliminably racist, Drake.

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I gotta give O'Reilly respect. I expected him to side with Coulter because of the conservative leanings of both.



There is a difference between being a conservative and being an idiot.

Further, there is a difference between being a fundamentalist, southern-pride! conservative and being me. That's probably why I haven't called myself "conservative" for a while.

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I don't like Coulter, but I fail to see how this is racist. Insensitive, yes, but certainly not racist.

if it's not racist, then it's definitely very racially charged.

why? wtf does his ethnicity, the fact that he has japanese blood, have to do with his policies? the column tries to make the point that the policies mineta stands for are idiotic and unsafe, yet coulter decides to take the interesting route of linking his japanese (read: foreignness, his un-americanness) ethnicity to it. christ, she even says he only got the job because of his minority status.

maybe coulter was trying to "dig deeper" and see what his life had to do with his motivations. maybe. if she did, then it's fine to link mineta's distaste for racial profiling to his experience in the internment camps. there is no reason, however, for her to pour that much vitriol into it. there's no cause for her to link him to the bataan death march. there's no reason for her to minimize the sheer stupidity of the internment.

it's almost as bad as if some pundit, in his/her desire to smear powell or rice, linked them to the entire "yes, massa" deal.

now, onto my soapbox, if i wasn't on it already:
finally, i can understand -maybe- why it doesn't seem racist. asian americans are, after all, the model minority. we're not supposed to suffer from discrimination, so when we're stereotyped, it's always good stereotypes, like we all rock in math, own a small mom and pop store, play an instrument, know kung-fu, we all plan on going back to the home countries... asian americans are, in general, a quiet bunch of people. we took booker t. washington's atlanta compromise to heart--seek economic equality before social--and look where it's gotten us: we're "white/other", with emphasis on "white" for racial tallies, "other" when whites don't need us.
so when backhanded ethnic slaps are made against asian americans, nobody raises a fuss. nobody thinks of it as one. we're already in the foreign category, so it's ok to think of us as the "other".
it's not just the mineta case here that bothers me, and a lot of other asians: there were worse things being said during the whole wen ho lee fiasco, or the johnny cheung campaign. it's as if politics in america doesn't feel right unless there's a foreign threat, and as far as foreign threats go, it's either the vanished soviets, those pesky arab/muslims (which are almost used interchangeably), or that yellow peril.

what i feel that it all boils down to is this: if that statement is not racist, it's racially charged; and something racially charged could only exist in a society that has subtle undertones and uses underhanded discrimination against asians.

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it occurs to me that maybe i'm reading too much into those five paragraphs.

then i think about the large number of other americans (who happened to be of asian descent) got their knickers in a twist over that column independently, and i feel much more sure of my conclusions.

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Hell, just look at how Coulter went after Max Cleland. Anyone who wants to stand with her over that goes into the "immoral" entry in my book. Not to mention her call for physical violence against "college liberals."

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Q^3 - have you ever heard of capital letters?

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in the column i've been quoting from, she did lament the fact that norman mineta hadn't been killed.

i've heard of capital letters. i think they're somewhat frivolous unless used for Emphasis.

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I STILL have yet to see Ms. Coulter's little golden monkey she surely must possess. She truly is keeping it well hidden.

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There is a difference between being a conservative and being an idiot.



is there?

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I guess Hannity is informed and creative. I mean, you need to be creative to make up all the bullshit that he propagates. And I guess you need to be informed of the facts when you make up **** that is totally bogus.



I knew that you would get it

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it occurs to me that maybe i'm reading too much into those five paragraphs.


I'll say! Jesus...

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asian americans are, after all, the model minority.


Don't be so full of yourself. Mexicans work harder than you. Indians (dot, not feathers) are better at math and can actually pronounce the letter 'r'. As such, it is clear that half-Mexican, half-Indians are the perfect minority. If only we could all be so lucky as to live in a country filled with people like Jorge Parmar.

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I'll say! Jesus...

i don't think i am. sorry, but when i come to the same conclusion independently from so many others, and they get the same feeling as well, in a society that doesn't see a problem with emasculating the asian male and fetishizing the asian female...

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Don't be so full of yourself. Mexicans work harder than you. Indians (dot, not feathers) are better at math and can actually pronounce the letter 'r'. As such, it is clear that half-Mexican, half-Indians are the perfect minority. If only we could all be so lucky as to live in a country filled with people like Jorge Parmar.

it seems to me that you didn't get that the line was dripping with sarcasm there. is a absolutely necessary when trying to be sarcastic?
besides, last time i checked, .indians were asians as well, and therefore indian americans, by extension, would be asian americans...

in any case, why are you taking such issue with this? have i somehow disturbed a little sacred cow of yours somewhere without realizing it?

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it seems to me that you didn't get that the line was dripping with sarcasm there.


It's odd that you should be complaining about this (which isn't true, BTW) whilst missing the blatantly facetious tone in which I delivered the line you quoted...

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besides, last time i checked, .indians were asians as well


The term "Asian" most commonly refers to East Asians. South Asians usually aren't placed in the same racial group as East Asian, as you should know.

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I have no sacred cow, outside of the Nebraska Cornhuskers.

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Coulter is patently delusional. O'Reilly is simply nakedly self-serving.

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You know, the aforementioned Hitler impressed a lot of people with the imagery in his writings and speeches, too.


Guynemer:

Well, that didn't take long to Godwin.

Just because she's a good writer, doesn't mean she's Hitler.

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stunning, yes. what's even more stunning is that she hasn't had to retract it, not for want of action on the part of concerned asian american groups, but because nobody who isn't asian american seems to give a damn.


QCubed:

If they don't care, why do you?

Maybe they think she's spot on.

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten The term "Asian" most commonly refers to East Asians. South Asians usually aren't placed in the same racial group as East Asian, as you should know.


The British generally mean South Asians when they mention Asians. Just saying...

 
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