04-06-2004 10:17									#31
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The Greeks bombed my cabinet and my whole empire is rioting and in anarchy!!!

	04-06-2004 21:30									#32
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Update on the civs: Turn 489

Turkey: 1st
Wonders: 8
Score: 6,500
Cities: 24
Population:415

Persian(me): 2nd
Wonders: 5
Score: 5,120
Cities: 27
Population: 342

Arabian: 3rd
Wonders: 0
Score: 2,110
Cities: 19
Population: 306

Rome: 4th
Wonders: 1
Score: 1,965
Cities: 23
Population: 303

Phoenician: 5th
Wonders:1
Score: 1,930
Cities: 18
Population: 317

Carthaginian: 6th
Wonders:0
Score:1,750
Cities:22
Population:333

Greeks: 7th
Wonders: 1
Score: 1,585
Cities: 5
Population:104

Babylonian: 8th
Wonders: 0
Score:1,150
Cities:18
Population: 290

	04-06-2004 21:54									#33
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Finish off the greeks!

	05-06-2004 06:07									#34
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This is turn 504, the Greeks are down to 3 cities (two of which are quite small). The situation is still very chaotic in this region but I think I'm gaining the upper hand. I'm more worried about the Turks(Purple) starting to encroach and attack cities I have built east of them....

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	05-06-2004 06:50									#35
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Hamadan is now safe! Finish cutting the continent in half!

	06-06-2004 06:38									#36
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By te way what tech level are you in (what kind of units) now?

and try these updated tiles...

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...E-tile1.14h.zip

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	06-06-2004 07:59									#37
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Rhm...my empire is falling apart...update to come.....

Edit: btw the new tiles are excellent

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	06-06-2004 08:34									#38
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The Turks have conquered the 4 cities I founded/captured on that little budlge to the West of their empire...I have lost all but one of the many cities I had captured from the Greeks..I'm being attacked by all sides by the Babylonians, Pheonicians, Arabians (who are having troubles of their own from the Romans but are taking it out on me) and now even the Turks have sent 40+ units to attack the cities on their continent to the North...The one Greek city I have left is Cornith, which is being heavily bombarded by the Arabians who have vast numbers of units surrounding it....

To sum it up: I've lost the South, I've lost the West, and now the the Turks are seriously threating the North WITH Technologically superior units. My plan: pull back the troops to the mainland pennisula and fortify...

I will take any recomendations that may help me save my little empire. And I encourage everyone to play this game..its quite challenging 500+ turns...and I don't think I'm going to win. I've never lost a single player game before....

EDIT: Its official, the Greeks have been conquered by the Babylonians on turn 529, Year 1270 AD. They fought well, may they rest in peace and reamerge as a splinter civ....

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	06-06-2004 08:46									#39
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How am I suppossed to stop this??????

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	06-06-2004 08:52									#40
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Any chance you can pull all your forces into one easily defendable area?

Can you post a current world map?

	06-06-2004 09:07									#41
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Start scorching the earth or send some of your fastest units behind their stacks and take out their infrastructure to buy you some time.

	06-06-2004 09:09									#42
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This is the world map, turn 535, year 1300 AD. I disabled trade routes so its less confusing. Compare this to the map I posted a few posts above and you will see my situation has deteriorated. There isn't any good choke points except at my pennisula. The Northern Cities are well defending but I don't think they can stand up to 50+ units and there is no way I can send reinforcements because of the ocean. I also have much to worry about in the South where there is probably a combined 100+ units from various empires. My resources are stretched too thin to fight so many units. Luckily I just researched Theocracy which is allowing me to pump out some Techno Knights(whatever there called) but I don't think its going to be enough.

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	06-06-2004 09:15									#43
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Techno Knights

I see a small chokepoint on your border with the Turks, just where they lost a city to the barbs, IF you can take their 4 cities your side of the choke.

Set up camp for defending the south and perhaps send some fast units in boats to the Turks east coast to mix it up and divert their thinking?

	06-06-2004 09:15									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Start scorching the earth or send some of your fastest units behind their stacks and take out their infrastructure to buy you some time.

What do you mean by scorching the earth? I vowed not to use bloodbath if thats what your reffering too.
I tryed taking out some of their inner cities earlier but they all where very well defended at the time. The AI's have great land and their production power must be huge. They have 12 stacks roaming inside their borders everywhere!
As for Technology I am either equal with most civs and perhaps a bit ahead. The Turks however have a good tech lead over everyone it seems.

	06-06-2004 09:22									#45
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Scorched earth as in Stalin's Russia in WW2 against the Germans. Retreat but leave them nothing of use. Although it looks a little late for that perhaps.

The chokepoints always make for a more exiciting game

	06-06-2004 10:16									#46
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The Turkish invasion force is more than 100 units now. They are bombarding cities and pillaging. Theres an invasion force of 50 Arabians who are pestering my southern cities and a whole bunch of Babylonian units around too. I've decided to concentrate on defending my south and I have decided to let my Northern cities fight it out on their own though they don't stand much of a chance. Great Game

	07-06-2004 01:13									#47
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Can you make any allies to slow the Turks?
I'd agree bring forces back to build up your mainland and raze the northern cities.


BTW: minor tile tweaks http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...E-tile1.14h.zip

	07-06-2004 01:46									#48
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Things are now turing around. The Techno Knights are very effective and I am slowly fighting back the Turks in the North. I am also have a sizable force in the South. Things are looking up.

	07-06-2004 02:01									#49
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So technology helped or was it a certain strategy?

	07-06-2004 02:25									#50
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A combination of the Techno Knights and the stadegy Maq described about going behind the enemy lines and taking their underdefended cities.

	07-06-2004 05:31									#51
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	07-06-2004 08:25									#52
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Sheesh... I'm getting scared just looking at those forces.

Teutonic Knights saved my butt big time in my last game, but you have to be willing to go on the offensive with them. And try to use them against Man at Arms, not Legions or Pikes (Legions - 25% bonus against Mounted --- Pikes - 50% bonus against Mounted)

I also made sure that I had the ability to create regular Knights and did a massive disband of them right before I went into Caliphate. So I could replace them quickly without a sizable reduction of my forces.

Get to Caliphate quickly - its the most powerful Medieval Government. Janissaries are cheap slavers, the crime rate is low, and the science is very good.

And make a beeline to Pikes and the gunpowder units.

quote: Originally posted by EPW And I encourage everyone to play this game..its quite challenging 500+ turns...and I don't think I'm going to win. I've never lost a single player game before....

My Mod succeeds when players fail - or at least are thrown for a loop...

	07-06-2004 08:58									#53
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Thanks for the advice Hex, I wasn't sure what to research at this time and just mainly researched sea faring related ones because I fell way behind in those.

The Teutonic Knights have definitly saved the day for me. I re captured the West which I lost earlier and am now attacking the Turks directly. I also had a counter-offensive against the turks in the North. The Turks are actually having a lot of trouble now and have lost many of their southern cities.

At the same time I have used the teu knights to disrupt the Arabian Empire which is meeting the same fate as the Greeks. Although I can't hold on to the cities I capture from their other rivals can. I leave the cities and they take them. The former Greek Empire is in shamples with massive population losses from constant warfare and even starvation and rioting. Cities that were once size thirty are gone! Many of the Arabian cities are meeting the same fate.

Edit: Just captured Istanbul with its four wonders propelling me to 1st place.

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	07-06-2004 10:01									#54
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Its amazing how fast the world situation has changed This is Turn 609, 1652 AD...

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	07-06-2004 23:24									#55
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Nice work, I hope you shore up some defenses before engaging in some more adventures since the tide flips so much (and what would the AI be like with the Tknights?)

BTW I noticed your cities stay there orriginal culture set after they are conquered, is that from modding? I don't remember that in the original game (but I like it a lot!)

	08-06-2004 05:19									#56
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EPW,

I tweak the snow mountain here:
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php..._bigsnowmtn.zip

Let me know what you think be for make it a main download.

PS: Screenshot (looks taller and varied)

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	08-06-2004 05:30									#57
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It looks better but it still seems a too repetitive to me. I guess if its not possible to have more than one tile for them its good.

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	08-06-2004 07:27									#58
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thanks EPW, I think its the best it will get, it varies when its in tighter clusters but thats it.

How goes the game?

	08-06-2004 08:42									#59
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if you cant defend against all those green's stacks, how about reteating behind the desert...

	08-06-2004 09:08									#60
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Quick update....

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