29-05-2004 10:06									#1
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Having nothing better to do I set up a game using the editor. I tryed to make it as difficult as possible. It uses cradle v1.30b on Very Hard, with barbarians on risky, 7 computers. I myself havn't played it but I suspect it will be quite challenging.

If anyone can win they will forever have my acknowledgement of being a good CTP2 player

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	29-05-2004 21:17									#2
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I played around 100 turns or so and not much has happened. The AI's are doing well and have a huge lead in every area even cities. Under Dynasty three computers have over ten cities. There hasn't been any major attacks by the computer but I think that is at least partially because there is too much water. Anyways it should be an exciting game once the AI's get better established. Feel free to post whats happening in your game here.

	29-05-2004 21:40									#3
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Its funny, i attached an AI to my player (1) and i noticed the AI terraforming its plains to grassland, then placing farms, why does it do that? Waste of time, IMO.

My AI is doing better than i thought though, putting up a good fight against the Greeks

Something else i noticed, my AI has over 3000PW is reserve and yet has 4 cities on pop 8+ with no tile imps at all, including roads. 10 cities total.

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	29-05-2004 22:03									#4
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My empire after 185 turns.

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	29-05-2004 22:06									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Its funny, i attached an AI to my player (1) and i noticed the AI terraforming its plains to grassland, then placing farms, why does it do that? Waste of time, IMO.

At least it knows how to terraform

	29-05-2004 22:29									#6
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EPW i would advise not to post any screenshots or reveal too much information yet, in case anyone else plays. Unlikely as it may sound

	29-05-2004 23:10									#7
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And if you do post screenshots could you use my terrain files i'd like to see how the work for games

	30-05-2004 04:10									#8
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Heres a screenshot of my AI doing a great job, and using E's tiles. Excellent job BTW with the larger borders.

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	01-06-2004 05:50									#9
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Thanks Maq!

Is that your player 1 set to AI game? It does seem like the AI does well on its own against other AI, but once a human gets in the mix its gets all messed up (like neo in the matrix)

	01-06-2004 06:13									#10
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Yeah thats an AI attached to player 1. Hes doing alright, considering he started a good few techs behind and less settlers etc. Thats not to say it did everything right though...

As for the tile file, i think the borders encroaching on other tiles makes it blend really well, best example is probably the desert going over onto the plains there.

	01-06-2004 07:28									#11
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I installed the new tile's and had some strange results. I opened the save game and instead of farms and mines I get this:

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	01-06-2004 07:35									#12
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ahhhhh I think I misinterpreted improvement tiles as ones for underconstruction (I inended to show civ3ish workers for tiles not finished yet andI thought the first tile of a brown farm was a farm about to be built same with mines)...give me a couple of days and I'll have them fixed.. Improvements I knew the least abouth and if there are any mistakes or suggestions let me know. Soory about the mistake!

Also any suggestions of the sea alagea (it kind of bothers me)

	01-06-2004 08:51									#13
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I know whats wrong...cradle uses underconstruction sprites as the complete sprites, so its no fault of your own.

	01-06-2004 09:39									#14
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Turn 225,
The Greeks, Arabians, and Turks have armies around my most southern city and can't decide if they want to attack each other or the city. My ranking is improving though the computers have a large tech lead. Most of the AI's are in either republic or city state and have 10-15 cities.

I tryed to post a screenshot here but a pressed enter and it posted "turn 225" and nothing else...crazy apoltyon So the screenshot is in the next post I hope.

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	01-06-2004 09:47									#15
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Turn 225:

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	01-06-2004 12:14									#16
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quote: Also any suggestions of the sea alagea (it kind of bothers me)

I know what you mean, I think the problem is it stands out too much. Try a lighter shade to match the shallows, if they were both in black and white, make them almost the same shade of gray.

	02-06-2004 06:23									#17
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Thanks Maq and EPW
I may do a cradle specific tiles (but need to see what Hex changed). Thanks for using the tiles I hope you like them. (I'm going to mess with the alagea now!)

	02-06-2004 06:57									#18
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I think the new tiles are great. You did an excellent job.

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Turn 300, 1000BC:

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	03-06-2004 07:15									#20
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i got the new tiles... its a good job

but i was wondering if...
the beach tiles can have a slightly different water color from the shallow water... because as it is now, the shallow water looks a little too shallow and leaves the map looking too flat...

	03-06-2004 07:50									#21
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My game thread has turned into a tile thread argh.

Your supposed to be discussing my amazing success

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	03-06-2004 07:58									#22
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Sorry EPW...

Please post tile comments here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...900#post3036835



PS I did lighten the sea alagea (download latest in my Sig ver 1.14f)

ANd EPW I will like to try your game once I get satisfied with the tiles


Your success looks awesome did you face a lot of competition as you did your cross sea colonizing?

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	03-06-2004 09:53									#23
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No problem E and HuangShang, I just didn't want this to get thread too far off topic

I've actually had limited action on the continent I expanded to as Turkey is caught up in a war against the Phoenians. Turkey is by far the most powerful country and believe they have nearly 20 cities at this time. I have also made up little ground on the tech tree. The main action has been on my penisula...the city of Hamadan has exchanged hands at least EIGHT times between 5 different civs. I (stupidely) built the olympics in it which made it a popular target. I was finally able to retake with a whole bunch of elephants. My Capitol was also captured along with another major city deeper in my territory. When Turkey and Arabia relize that I am the significant threat rather than the other computer players I could be in trouble....

I've also noticed that the computers are using bombarding units very effectively.

	03-06-2004 18:33									#24
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quote: Originally posted by EPW The main action has been on my penisula...the city of Hamadan has exchanged hands at least EIGHT times between 5 different civs. I (stupidely) built the olympics in it which made it a popular target. I was finally able to retake with a whole bunch of elephants. My Capitol was also captured along with another major city deeper in my territory. When Turkey and Arabia relize that I am the significant threat rather than the other computer players I could be in trouble....

You've got a natural chokepoint on that penninsula, which means that you can concentrate your forces to the south. I'd build a ton of units and slowly push outward. Confront forces out in the field with full stacks and many times they will back up.

Most of those cities on the penninsula can get by with minimal garrisons, so that will give you even more military to play with.

quote: Originally posted by EPW I've also noticed that the computers are using bombarding units very effectively.

Gotta love that...

	04-06-2004 00:57									#25
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EPW
can you post a map of Hamdan, to see what the geography looks like around it?

How did your score say #1 but it looks like you were lagging in all areas on the charts...

Keep up the good fight.

	04-06-2004 03:03									#26
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quote: Originally posted by E EPW can you post a map of Hamdan, to see what the geography looks like around it? How did your score say #1 but it looks like you were lagging in all areas on the charts... Keep up the good fight.

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Short answer: wonders

	04-06-2004 03:08									#27
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quote: I wrote a long answer twice but apolyton decided to erase it twice

Lesson learned? Copy first

Those elephants always look good.

	04-06-2004 06:41									#28
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The Greeks aren't very happy I captured one of their cities. They have been bombarding it for about 6 turns now killing the popultion and the troops:

UPDATE: the Greeks captured the city but lost about 25 units in the process..the population of the city is now 3.

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	04-06-2004 08:21									#29
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quote: Originally posted by EPW Short answer: wonders

Remind me to reduce the score of a Wonder to something like 50 per, instead of 500 per...

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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian Remind me to reduce the score of a Wonder to something like 50 per, instead of 500 per...

Actually the Turks have taken a huge wonder lead putting me in second place. Luckily the Turks are under constant attack and have lost two wonders to Carthage and lost many of their border cities.
The Greeks are on the verge of collapse...they were able to successfully repel my attack taking back 3 of the 4 cities I took from them. They also took Hamadan They are however under attack by the Babylonians(who took Hamadan lol) and the Pheohicans and Arabians along with myself.

So far I must rate this game one of the best I have played