31-05-2004 14:02									#31
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While everyone's focussing on the Sphinx part of CharlesBHoff's post, the point he makes about Stonehenge is rather weightier. Specifically, the large timber posts found in what is now the visitor's car park that are ridiculously old. I believe they were carbon-dated to 10,000 years old.

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Hueij - I think you're referring to the "dream" stele of Thutmosis. My mistake, that stele was found between the paws of the sphinx, not the stele I'm talking about. I'm talking about the inventory stele found closer to the Great Pyramid and dates to the saite period ~500 BC.

quote: One of the few written references to Khufu is contained in the 'inventory stele', discovered at Giza in the 1850s. It commemorates the restoration by Khufu of a small temple near the Pyramid, and indicates that the Sphinx, the Sphinx Temple, and possibly the Great Pyramid itself, were already in existence in Khufu's day. The stele is written in a later style of writing and some Egyptologists initially regarded it as a copy of a 4th dynasty original. Nowadays, however, it is dismissed as a piece of fiction as it contradicts current dogmas.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...dp5/pyramid.htm

quote: Phase II of the Sphinx conservation: Saite period (500 BC) In 1853 A. Mariette found the so-called Inventory Stela, or, the so-called Stela of the daughter of Cheops (Khufu). It was found on the east side of the pyramid of GIC, located on the east side of the great pyramid and dated to the 26th Dynasty. The stela indicates that the Sphinx was repaired in this period. To this period may be attributed the major layer of restoration masonry on the upper part of the Sphinx's body on the south side. This layer, composed of smaller slabs than those of the Old Kingdom, was laid over the earlier (phase I) layer of Thutmosis, the surface of which was cut away in phase II, however, for fitting the new stones. It is important to note here that the restorers did not remove the Old Kingdom stones from the Sphinx. The Saite restoration also focused on the Sphinx's tail and on the (nemes) headdress. The Egyptians of this period may also have painted the Sphinx. There is no evidence, however, of any excavations around the base of the Sphinx in this period. Even Herodotus is silent on the Sphinx, suggesting that it was at least partially obscured with sand.

http://www.guardians.net/hawass/sphinx2.htm

Question: if the information on this stela is accurate, why would the sphinx need restoration in the days of Khufu or his daughter? His second son - Chephren - to succeed him supposedly built it along with the 2nd pyramid. Better question: why didn't Khufu's first son build his pyramid next to his father's where there was supposedly no other structure?

Here is a partial transaltion of the inventory stele:

quote: Horus-Medjed lives, king of upper and lower Egypt. Khufu gives life. He discovered the temple of Isis, lady of the pyramids, beside the house of Hurun facing northwest to the house of Osiris, Lord of Rosetau (Giza necropolis). He constructed his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess.

"Hurun" is depicted by the heiroglyph of a Sphinx and is SE of the Great Pyramid, i.e., the pyramid is NW. If his second son carved the sphinx, why is it mentioned as existing during Khufu's reign?

UR -

quote: Granted the oral traditions could go back way back (eh ), unless the ancient Egyptians used the same sort of mapping for the stars as we do, it wouldn't make any sense to refer to Age of Aries. etc. The Chinese had their own system, so did the anicent South American cultures.

True, but these geographically connected cultures used similar terminology/imagery for the Zodiac.

quote: Possibly. It's also possible that oral traditions have a tendency to exaggerate things, esp. heroic deeds The Chinese have stories about heroes killing tigers with their bare hands. I think they can kick Samson's arse

And these may have a celestial connection as well, but I imagine it's possible for a Chinese hero to kill a tiger. We'd have to delve into the story more to see if there are celestial overtones.

quote: Yeah, but those weren't that old

We don't know how old the Mayan Venus calendar is, Mayan civilisation keeps getting pushed back further into antiquity. So far they're approaching the time of the Olmecs - 1500-2000 BC. Nevertheless, it shows just how meticulous ancient peoples could be.

quote: I think even apes could notice the phases of the moon.

And draw them on bone?

quote: Anyway, the point was you need a somewhat advanced society to have free people to do the work. Including dreaming up the idea of building the Sphinx.

Or people who wanted to "remember" something of significance, like the cosmologic age of the Great Flood? According to the Tlingit, the only people I know of who can put a ~year on the event, it occured around the cusp of Leo and Virgo - hence the Sphinx has the body of a lion and the head of a human.

quote: Sand is easier to see through than forests. Geologists used sat images to find evidences a large system of water in Western Egypt, for example.

Identifying ancient river systems is easier than identifying artifacts or even human settlements. Then there is the disparity in erosion patterns at Giza. The Sphinx and it's enclosure have a different pattern typical of rainfall while countless other structures show wind erosion. This is why there is a chasm between egyptologists and geologists wrt the sphinx...

Gatekeeper - not really, I'm going based mostly on memory but I did track down a translation of the Inventory Stela. Also interesting is the appearance of 3 pyramids on the Narmer Palette, a tablet that supposedly dates back to ~3100 BC when upper and lower Egypt were unified. These can mean something else, but it is interesting nonetheless. Then there's the interesting phenomenon not only of the 3 great pyramids lining up ~identically to Orion's Belt, but that other pyramids combined with the great pyramids make it look like the Egyptians had marked out the constellation of Orion on the ground and placed structures/pyramids to represent the stars of Orion. Throw the Milky Way in with the positioning of the Nile as it's terrestial counterpart and we see what may be the Egyptian's attempt to transfigure part of the sky onto their lands. According the Robert Bauval, because of precession and other variations in the Earth's orbit/spin/tilt, these would have all lined up ~10,400 years ago when Orion was at it's lowest point in the southern sky, a time of rebirth as the stars began their journey upward.

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From where did the people spread? Did they spread because of the Ice? Were there any parts of the Earth that were warm?

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quote: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...dp5/pyramid.htm

A site that makes references to people like Bauval, Hancock, Von Däniken and, I kid you not, Madame Blavatsky?

Anyway, somehow the only sources that claim (but of course don't prove) that the stele is a copy of a 4th Dynasty one seem to be the usual "The Great Pyramid Was Built By Aliens/Atlanteans."

Btw, what you interpret as a hieroglyphic sign for "sphinx" is actually a lion, which stands for the "rw" in Hwrwn (Hurun)

Take a look for yourself at http://www.creatures-kbc.com/ae_inventorystele.htm

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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py From where did the people spread?

The pervailing theory in anthropology is they started from Africa

quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Did they spread because of the Ice?

Nah, they were spreading before.

quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Were there any parts of the Earth that were warm?

Sure. Don't forget, the average surface temperature during the last Ice Age was only 5°C lower.

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Fascinating stuff, Berz. Thanks for the insights.

I like to think that human history and civilization stretches back much further in time than what we think. I'm reasonably sure our civilization is the planet's first modern one (i.e. spaceflight, computers and so on), but that sure doesn't rule out "non-modern" civilizations that could conceivably stretch back to the time of the last Ice Age. After all, modern humans have been around for 40,000 to 50,000 years. Plenty of time to do something other than root around in forests and live in caves for 45,000 years of that time.

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New researches suggest that the island of Crete was destroyed by a huge storm probably caused by a meteorite fallen into the Mediterranean Sea, and that could be the flood the scriptures are talking about

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Hueij -

quote: A site that makes references to people like Bauval, Hancock, Von Däniken and, I kid you not, Madame Blavatsky?

That site merely recounts various theories, it does not endorse them. And I chose it because it has information on the stela, not because I endorse everything these people claim. You did not even address the quote I used from that site, If you have a problem with the quote, challenge it instead of attacking the messenger.
Do you deny some archaeologists initially believed it to be a copy of a 4th dynasty stela? If not, what's your point? That the quote is invalid because you found something else at the site that may be invalid?

quote: Anyway, somehow the only sources that claim (but of course don't prove) that the stele is a copy of a 4th Dynasty one seem to be the usual "The Great Pyramid Was Built By Aliens/Atlanteans."

Egyptologists made the claim it was a copy of a 4th dynasty stela only to conclude it was a ~6th BC forgery because it conflicted with the prevailing theories of the day, did you ignore the second link too? It comes from the head of Egypt's archaeology department and a well known expert in the field.

quote: Btw, what you interpret as a hieroglyphic sign for "sphinx" is actually a lion, which stands for the "rw" in Hwrwn (Hurun)

First, that site is where I got the translation of the stela so of course I'm familiar with the heiroglyph. And lions were considered to be the guardians of secret and sacred places, and the Sphinx has the body of a lion.

quote: He discovered the temple of Isis, lady of the pyramids, beside the house of Hurun facing northwest to the house of Osiris, Lord of Rosetau (Giza necropolis). He constructed his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess.

Khufu discovered the temple of Isis, the lady of the pyramids at Giza? He built his pyramid next to it? He found this temple beside the house of hurun - the lion/sphinx? So Giza was already in use as a sacred place before Khufu? And it implies the site was already very old, you don't discover New York City unless it's long forgotten, yet here the text says Khufu "discovered" the temple of Isis at Giza and built next to it.

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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py (Not because of the Day After Tomorrow movie of course).

suuuure -- of course not

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Hueij, can you find links to the hieroglyphs for the lion and the sphinx? I'd like to see if the hieroglyph on the inventory stela is that of a lion or a sphinx (or if they shared the same hieroglyph), it seems to me there is no house of the lion at Giza but I suspect there is a house of the sphinx (given we find the sphinx there). And please explain why Khufu "discovered" a temple of Isis at Giza if the site was not already a sacred place in use, if not in his time, then in what was already ancient history in his day.

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The great Pym was make out of concrete block(the concrete was crusk gandite rock) The stone they use to built doesnot match any know stone quarred the ancient use. The stone was too hard for copper or wood tools to cut or shape you needed at least Iron or bronze tools. The inside of the Pym is very humid while the outside is very dry. Instead or cutting over 2 million very hard stone by hands in 20 year time would it be easy to useing wood mold to pour concrete in. The place is right next to the nile river so they have pentryt of water to make concrete. The core stone inside the Pyd weight 250 tons and go up to 1/3 of the height of the pyd how did they lift so stone up so height and place then so accurate in place.

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Hueij, can you find links to the hieroglyphs for the lion and the sphinx? I'd like to see if the hieroglyph on the inventory stela is that of a lion or a sphinx (or if they shared the same hieroglyph), it seems to me there is no house of the lion at Giza but I suspect there is a house of the sphinx (given we find the sphinx there). And please explain why Khufu "discovered" a temple of Isis at Giza if the site was not already a sacred place in use, if not in his time, then in what was already ancient history in his day.

The one show I saw pushing the idea that the sphinx is much older than the pyramids put forth the theory that that firt carving was of a lion-that later egyptians recarved the head into a human head form the bigger lions head that was once there-one reason why the head looks awkward compared to the bulk of the body.

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Yeah, I saw that show but they don't really know what the original head looked like. Although it is interesting that the lion was the guardian of secrets and sacred places to the Egyptians and there's no obvious reason as to why. We can be fairly certain the head has been recarved since it is so much smaller compared to the body. It's claimed by the egyptology community that Chephren re-did the head in his image, well, they claim he made it, but that can't explain why he would have made it with such a small head. Maybe he had no choice but that's quite peculiar given the Egyptian's sense of detail. That show's producers also hired a NYC criminal artist to compare the known image of Chephren to the head of the Sphinx and there were some glaring differences calling into question the notion Chephren had it carved in his image. I suspect the head was larger and repeated re-shapings simply reduced the size and they couldn't figure out a way of making it larger or didn't want to make it larger for some other reason. But the weathering of the Sphinx and it's enclosure is the thing that stands out, the other structures on the Giza plateau show wind erosion while the Sphinx has a different pattern. Maybe the Sphinx and it's enclosure was buried most of the time and wind couldn't attack it like the rest of the plateau... That's the only explanation I can see as viable other than a greater antiquity for the Sphinx. I believe the head of the Sphinx was originally that of a woman because it symbolized the precessional age of Leo and Virgo which would have coincided with the end of the last ice age and the rising sea levels - the Great Flood. And according to Egyptian creation mythology, the "Earth" was raised up out of the water in the form of a mound or hill/mountain and the pyramids may not only represent Orion's Belt but the symbolic rising of a mound from out of the waters with the Sphinx marking the "date". I do think the recent research by people like Bauval (who get's laughed at by Hueij) and John Anthony West are raising questions epyptologists can't dismiss so easily. Dogmas look the same regardless of whether the adherents are religious or "scientists"...

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I think we are some sort of alien/primate hybrid. See, alien refugees came to Earth a long time ago... but they had trouble adapting to Earth's environment, so the only way for the species to survive was to use primate DNA to make a hybrid. Their advanced brain, among other things, was integrated into the primate DNA which is how humans came about. We're the product of aliens and dirty apes.

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I strongly recommend reading at least the early chapters of Guns, Germs, and Steel. I strongly doubt the idea that civilization arose anywhere before it arose in the Fertile Crescent, simply because we lack evidence that the animals and plants that were domesticated there were actually brought in from somewhere else. I could entertain the notion of an Atlantis-type situation where there was an earlier culture, which vanished beneath the waves, but only because disproving something of that nature is a bit harder.

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Hueij, can you find links to the hieroglyphs for the lion and the sphinx? I'd like to see if the hieroglyph on the inventory stela is that of a lion or a sphinx (or if they shared the same hieroglyph), it seems to me there is no house of the lion at Giza but I suspect there is a house of the sphinx (given we find the sphinx there). And please explain why Khufu "discovered" a temple of Isis at Giza if the site was not already a sacred place in use, if not in his time, then in what was already ancient history in his day.

I have to get back to you this evening Dutch time. Work and things...

I'll try to make a scan of the "rw (lion)" glyph from Gardiner's Middle Egyptian Grammar with it's explanation. But I must warn you, Gardiner was a real Egyptologist

Meanwhile, thanks for having me browsing the web on this subject last night. I had a lot of laughs, never knew there were taht many crackpots out there...

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Sava -

quote: I think we are some sort of alien/primate hybrid. See, alien refugees came to Earth a long time ago... but they had trouble adapting to Earth's environment, so the only way for the species to survive was to use primate DNA to make a hybrid. Their advanced brain, among other things, was integrated into the primate DNA which is how humans came about. We're the product of aliens and dirty apes.

Strangely enough, both the Sumerians/Babylonians and Zulu have myths about the creation of mankind that are very much in that ballpark. The Sumerians believed we were created by a "serpent" God and his sister (?) to relieve the Gods of their work and one myth describes how this serpent deity found a creature roaming the "abzu" he deemed appropriate for "binding" the image of the Gods upon to make a primitive creature that could follow orders and work. The Zulu believe there was a time when "the artifical ones" would go to war with "the apemen" to appease or at the behest of the gods.

Hueij -

quote: I'll try to make a scan of the "rw (lion)" glyph from Gardiner's Middle Egyptian Grammar with it's explanation. But I must warn you, Gardiner was a real Egyptologist

So was the guy who found the inventory stela Be sure to link or post both the lion and sphinx glyph, thx.
Also, if you could, quote Gardiner's explanation as to exactly what "hurun" means within the context of the inventory stela. If that's too much trouble, no biggie.

quote: Meanwhile, thanks for having me browsing the web on this subject last night. I had a lot of laughs, never knew there were taht many crackpots out there...

While you're looking about for those glyphs, be sure to refute the quote you indicted as BS. That'll be quite an achievement...

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The last ice age was fairly warm as ice ages go and ice never got any where near coving most of the plant.

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For Berzerker: Gardiner's entry for the lion glyph. He doesn't have a "sphinx" glyph so it must have been very rarely used in Old and Middle Egyptian. However I found "sphinx" glyphs in Budge.

As you can see, the lion on the stele is nothing more than phonetic "rw"

Source: Sir Alan Gardiner, Egyptian Grammar. Third edition, revised, 1988. ISBN 0 900416 35 1. Copyright Griffith Institute Oxford.

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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit New researches suggest that the island of Crete was destroyed by a huge storm probably caused by a meteorite fallen into the Mediterranean Sea, and that could be the flood the scriptures are talking about

I'd consider the eruption of Thira to be a likelier suspect for the destruction of Crete.

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Next: the sphinx glyph.

Source: E.A Wallace Budge, An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary Vol 2, 1920, reprinted by Dover, 1978. ISBN 0 486 23616 1

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And next: the only pic I could find of the Inventory Stele. I have no clue if it is a forgery or not but if these signs are correct than it than it cannot be a copy of a 4th dynasty original. The second sign in the second line, the one above the water glyph is a phonetic "m". This sign was not used before the end of Dyn 18.

The whole phrase "gm.n-f (ibis m water snake)" that is suggestively translated as "he discovered" can also mean "he found" or even "he arrived at."

Now I haven't seen this stele but what I read about it is that it shows some gods together that were never ever depicted together before, let alone in the 4th dynasty.

Aside from all this there are some other minor mistakes in the given translation, but soit...

Edit: found one typo, there are probably more...

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But let's say the stele is real and from the Sait Period. Already in the Middle Kingdom Gizeh and Chufu were part of a mythical past around which many stories were woven. Should we take "Chufu and the Magician" literally?

Suppose 2000 years from now someone finds the sole surviving copy of "Arthur, the Once and Future King." I can already imagine the ridiculous theories that will be thrown around. The Bauvals, Wests and Hancocks of the future will be having a field day. (And filling their pockets of course...)

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Just found something else. A critique of Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods.

[q]2. The text of the Inventory Stela "clearly indicated that both the Great Sphinx and the Great Pyramid ... were already in existence long before Khufu came to the throne" (p. 303).

[b]No. The crucial passage of the text runs as follows: "The living Horus Medjedu (= Horus-name of Khufu), the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Khufu, given life. He found the precinct of Isis, mistress of the pyramid, next to the precinct of Hauron, to the north-west of the precinct of Osiris lord of Rostau. He built his pyramid next to the temple of this goddess (and) he (also) built the pyramid of Princess Henutsen next to this temple".

The purpose of this tendentious text, probably written early in the 26th Dynasty, around 600 BC (palaeography, orthography, stela-type, Hauron), was to emphasize the antiquity of the cult of Isis by claiming that it was older than the construction of the pyramids. In this context, the epithet "mistress of the pyramid" is anachronistic and does not imply that the Great Pyramid was associated with Isis, and the stela does not suggest in any way that Khufu was buried in one of the subsidiary pyramids./b]

http://www.hallofmaat.com/maat/arti...p?sid=27&page=1

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i have a question for the 'older history' people... if the sphinx was built during the ice age and there was a significant and advanced civilization then, why was the rest of the world so comparatively uncivilized, living as hunter gatherers everywhere?

civilization requires contact and a trade of commodities and ideas. Civilization bursted out after the last ice age in Egypt, Levant, Syria, Asia Minor, Sumeria, India, and southern china roughly simultaneously. overnight in the grand scale, civilizations appeared all over the stretch from Egypt to China. Indian goods have been found in Ur... blue-eyed blonde europeans in west china... civilization appeared incredibly suddenly in Crete, coinciding with the conquest of the Nile Delta by Menes (refugees fled to Crete)...

similiarities between civilizations (the cult of the bull in both Crete and the Nile delta for example) were the result of very much contact between civilizations long before archaeoloists had thought. Humans were, simply put, getting around as far back as the 9th milenia BC... i think this is a better explanation for shared histories, etc. than the Atlantean theory.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i have a question for the 'older history' people... if the sphinx was built during the ice age and there was a significant and advanced civilization then, why was the rest of the world so comparatively uncivilized, living as hunter gatherers everywhere? civilization requires contact and a trade of commodities and ideas. Civilization bursted out after the last ice age in Egypt, Levant, Syria, Asia Minor, Sumeria, India, and southern china roughly simultaneously. overnight in the grand scale, civilizations appeared all over the stretch from Egypt to China. Indian goods have been found in Ur... blue-eyed blonde europeans in west china... civilization appeared incredibly suddenly in Crete, coinciding with the conquest of the Nile Delta by Menes (refugees fled to Crete)... similiarities between civilizations (the cult of the bull in both Crete and the Nile delta for example) were the result of very much contact between civilizations long before archaeoloists had thought. Humans were, simply put, getting around as far back as the 9th milenia BC... i think this is a better explanation for shared histories, etc. than the Atlantean theory.

Between 9500 BCE and 9000 BCE than natual disater happen in the solar system which change the ordit of earth, venus and mar. The earth orginate have than year which was 360 day long than the suddern change in orbit caught distate change on earth also which cause that advange cival to collsp. When it ended the Earth year was 365.25.... . days long.

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charlesBhoff:

huh? what the hell does that have to do with anything?

i'm saying civilizations do not exist in a vacuum... if one area of the world has an advanced civilization, other areas will also have civilization due to contact. how could it be that Atlantis existed in a vacuum as the only civilization on earth amid incredibly primitive huntergatherers?

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer charlesBhoff: huh? what the hell does that have to do with anything? i'm saying civilizations do not exist in a vacuum... if one area of the world has an advanced civilization, other areas will also have civilization due to contact. how could it be that Atlantis existed in a vacuum as the only civilization on earth amid incredibly primitive huntergatherers?

Simple all ancient cival have than 360 days ayear solar, sudden it change to 365.25... days ayear solar cal. Than change like this can cause sudden climate change on earth. Myth in Taith in the South Pacific once told of than time long ago when they where freezeing from ice sudden appearing there.

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Hueij - if this helps:

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/haurun.htm

Haurun is not only a region in Syria, i.e., Canaan, but a Canaanite God (possibly doubling as a God in both cultures with different names), so it is interesting that Haurun or Hurun appears on the stela. But Hurun was the Canaanite name for the Sphinx, not a lion. So how come the Sphinx and a temple to Isis were in existence at Giza before Khufu built his pyramid? This must be why the inventory stela was eventually dismissed since it conflicted with the notion that Khufu's son made the sphinx. As for Bauval, West, and Hancock, they are irrelevant wrt the stela...

If we take your argument as valid, that because the pyramid age had long passed by the time of the stela, then virtually every text must be treated similarily unless the text was contemporaneous with the events described in the text. Obviously events can be written about long after the fact and viewed with some skepticism - like the Bible - but Giza had to have some significance before Khufu showed up to build and this stela offers a motive - the temple of Isis and the house of Haurun were already there and that means the Sphinx was already there, true?

While I'm a fan of all 3 of these authors you dislike, I find Bauval's work on the astronomical connections to the pyramid region fascinating and have yet to see a critique refuting his work. Have you? Hancock has apparently adopted Bauval's work and West had the geologic survey of the Sphinx done and I haven't seen a convincing refutation of that either, so why should we just assume these 3 men are crackpots or frauds based on your conclusions or Egyptologists who are largely ignoring their work? Lumping these men together with von Daniken is uncalled for, I believe both West and Hancock have since dismissed the finds off Japan as a quirk of nature. Does that make them frauds? No, it makes them honest...

As for Isis and the pyramid, the text implies that Khufu built the Great Pyramid but we can't be sure since there are several in the complex. But assuming he did, Isis was the mistress of the pyramid whether that means the Giza pyramids or allegedly older pyramids built by Sneferu. The interpretation that the stela meant to create for Isis an older connection to the pyramids is just speculation and flies in the face of the antiquity of the Osiris/Isis myth.