31-05-2004 03:43									#1
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I tried loading a map I downloaded I very, very large map using the civ3 editor. But that does not work.

So how do I do it?

	31-05-2004 05:05									#2
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CivIII editor will only handle bic files. PTW does bix and C3C does biq.

So depending on the map type, you need to use the correct editor. I think C3C can import bix maps, but I am not sure.

	31-05-2004 10:39									#3
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yeah I was trying to figure out the difference between bic and biq. And I guess bix.

I never messed with the editor much.

surely they could have made this easier

	31-05-2004 10:44									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident surely they could have made this easier

I suppose they could, but then Civ3 and PTW users would never know what files were compatible with their versions.

	31-05-2004 19:23									#5
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C3C can import any of the other maps and convert them to biq format.

	31-05-2004 23:13									#6
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm C3C can import any of the other maps and convert them to biq format.

how do you do that? I should be able to since I have c3c.

my editor seems buggy anyways. oh well.

	31-05-2004 23:56									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident how do you do that? I should be able to since I have c3c. my editor seems buggy anyways. oh well.

File|Import

Check the map box. Click okay.

Select the file whose map you want to import.

Done.

	01-06-2004 00:03									#8
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looks like it will only let me open bic files. I have conquests installed.

oh well

	01-06-2004 00:06									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident looks like it will only let me open bic files. I have conquests installed. oh well

It fails to open bix and biq?

You're sure you're using the Conquests editor instead of the old Civ3 editor?

	01-06-2004 00:14									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep It fails to open bix and biq? You're sure you're using the Conquests editor instead of the old Civ3 editor?

no, I'm not sure

I tried looking for another editor executable in the conquests folder. I didn't see one. I am just using the one in the main civ3 folder.

	01-06-2004 00:15									#11
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disregard, I found it

I didn't see it the first time I looked in the conquests folder

now I'm looking around trying to find out how to increase the number of civs

	01-06-2004 00:18									#12
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I did not have a bix to use, but Iwas able to import the earth bic from vanilla civIII with no problem.

File import from editor, Yes to comp question.
Select MAP option and expand it.
Select the look in: to where the file is located.
Select the files type as all.
You can now see the bic maps in this case or what every maps you are pointed to.
Highlight one and it will load.

	01-06-2004 00:19									#13
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If I had a dollar for every time someone made that mistake... They really should remove the Civ3 editor like they do the PTW one.

To increase the number of civs, use the Scenario Properties under Scenario. (You may need to have a custom map enabled to set it, but it sounds like that won't be a problem. )

	01-06-2004 00:21									#14
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hmm, it looks like the map is already set up for 32 civs.

but when I start a game it only gives me the option to choose 7 rivals.

anyone know how to choose 31 rivals?

	01-06-2004 00:23									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep If I had a dollar for every time someone made that mistake... They really should remove the Civ3 editor like they do the PTW one. To increase the number of civs, use the Scenario Properties under Scenario. (You may need to have a custom map enabled to set it, but it sounds like that won't be a problem. )

ahh okay. this one was selected at 8.

I think this will do it.

Thanks.

	01-06-2004 00:27									#16
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ahh it works. Thank you.

Now for 32 civs on a 362 X 362 Earth map. Wish me luck.

looks like I'll need it. It's already like 5 seconds between turns. Although I have several windows open right now.

	01-06-2004 01:01									#17
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You won't need so much luck as immunity to boredom ...

	01-06-2004 13:53									#18
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I've been hooked. Although that hard part is getting back into the game after I stop for the night.

But I've been playing for a while.

check this out. See the lower left map.

The only bad thing about maps this size (aside from turn waiting time) is you can't tell the colors apart in the lower left map. It's just a jumble of white dots

Attachment: civ3screenie.jpg
This has been downloaded 134 time(s).

	02-06-2004 15:10									#19
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Only 13 hours later and you;re that far into it?!

So how is the slowdown going, and on what system dare you attempt this?

	02-06-2004 16:50									#20
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Impressive.

Those white dots (colors in the mini map) will become clearer when civs start getting "voted off the island"

	02-06-2004 19:08									#21
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There is way too many cities on that map!

Personally I perfer El-Mency's 330X 328 map.

If I am not mistaken its should be the Inca in the lower left corner

	03-06-2004 09:21									#22
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Great going. I'm in awe over the appearent horsepower of your hardware.

I'd like to be able to finish a 362x362 32 civ game but after hardware the next issue that kills me is the 512 city limit and turn processing time. I wonder how much time you are running into now?

	03-06-2004 11:47									#23
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Only 13 hours later and you;re that far into it?! So how is the slowdown going, and on what system dare you attempt this?

yeah I guess it's been about 13 hours. maybe less.

The turn time still seems long. But I'm impatient and have low attention span.

I have 512 Gigs of Ram. An Athalon 2600 + processor. And a Radeion 9600 XT video card.

I haven't timed the turns, but they probably take a minute now. that includes the time after my city production come up, and I change city production. After I do that, it still takes like 30 seconds before I can start moving my units.

India is right on my ass in Tech. I haven't figured out why. They were slow to expand. But they have some cool cities on the rivers. Of course so do I. I put many cities on the rivers in China. but my production rocks. I should be able to get a space ship victory. I don't think I'll get a culture victory.

I should try a diplomatic victory. That will be faster. I have never done that. I suspect you just have to gift all the other civs to bribe them. Is it that easy?

I haven't had a chance to play. I'm working. And I work 11 hours a day. I like to give myself a large window of time to play Civ3. Because once I start, it's hard to stop.

	03-06-2004 14:43									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Because once I start, it's hard to stop.

	03-06-2004 14:51									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I have 512 Gigs of Ram.

That's something I seriously doubt.

	03-06-2004 16:22									#26
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Why do you doubt, Sir Ralph? Just that you think it would take more than that?

And if that is all true, Diss, I could just about hope to try this - my laptop is a 2400 or 2600+ (can't remember and too lazy to take the 2 secs to click on the right window ), but I do only over 1/2 - 3/4 the RAM. And I'm sure the GFX card makes zilch difference.

quote: I haven't had a chance to play. I'm working. And I work 11 hours a day. I like to give myself a large window of time to play Civ3. Because once I start, it's hard to stop.

13 hours civving, 11 hours working... yep, that's a day all right.

	03-06-2004 19:18									#27
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MrWhereItsAt:

Dissident origionally wrote

quote: I have 512 Gigs of Ram.

512 Gigs would have more RAM than most mainframes and a few of the older supercomputers. Its an obvious typo by Dissident, he means MB's.

	04-06-2004 12:00									#28
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Imagine how fast Civ would run with 512 gigs of RAM

Actually someone (sorry can't remember who) was saying processor speed is more important.

I keep most my processor pretty free. Except for Zone alarm. I should shut that down and see if I have any improvement. Other than that, I don't run any other programs- expect for Windows XP of course.

	04-06-2004 12:09									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Actually someone (sorry can't remember who) was saying processor speed is more important.

It is. The CPU crunches the numbers, the RAM just holds them. Faster CPUs can crunch numbers faster and more RAM can hold more results. When you run out of RAM space your CPU results get swapped to the harddrive which slows you down.

	04-06-2004 12:59									#30
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Of course I knew it's a typo. Just wanted to tease Dissident.

It's how Vince278 said. The speed of an application depends on memory size only if you have less physical memory than the application demands. In this case, a part of the data to be helt in memory is temporarily stored on the mass storage device (harddisk). If you notice, that your HD constantly works during a turn, it's time to increase your physical memory.

If you already have all the memory the game demands, more memory won't make the game much faster anymore. In this case, increasing processor speed will have more effect. For instance, let's assume, a game needs 768 MBs of RAM (neglecting the need of the OS, which is however large). It probably will run slow with 512 MB, very slow with 256 MB and might not even start with only 128 MB. But it won't matter anymore, if you have 768 MB, 1 GB or 2 GB.