31-05-2004 20:18									#1
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OK make that 5 player 2-a-day.

This game is now closed

The idea is simple: play your turns every day in your 2-hour slot, both AM and PM.

Here are the slots:

• Slot A : 7-9 BST (12-2 EDT) : Andydog (andy AT londonhome DOT f2s DOT com)
  
• Slot B : 9-11 BST (2-4 EDT) : Andy's apres-party slot.
  
• Slot C : 11-1 BST (4-6 EDT) : sabrewolf (sabrewolf AT blackhole DOT ch)
  
• Slot D : 1-3 BST (6-8 EDT) : jshelr (jshelruss AT yahoo DOT com)
  
• Slot E : 3-5 BST (8-10 EDT) : alexman (alexman AT alum DOT mit DOT edu)
  
• Slot F : 5-7 BST (10-12 EDT) : Rommel2D (jwala AT fastmail DOT fm)
  

Last edited by alexman on 03-06-2004 at 15:09

	31-05-2004 21:47									#2
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slot C please

	31-05-2004 22:48									#3
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I see Alexman's slotted me right before him. That should work well.

	01-06-2004 00:54									#4
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Are we going random landmass also? I'd be worried that an archipelago map would favor any seafaring tribes too much. [Too bad we don't have an AU MP mod yet...]

	01-06-2004 01:02									#5
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all random seems fair...

we could apply the AU mod changes... most things are made to improve the AI, but some things also influence humans (like unit costs, bombard power, government changes, etc)

	01-06-2004 02:18									#6
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Since the civs are random, I don't think it's any more unfair to have a chance of playing on an archipelago map than it is to include agricultural civs on any map, for example.

The only reason to choose the landmass type is so that we don't have one player isolated all alone on an island until the middle ages. That would make it boring for him. Personally, I like random maps though.

As for the AU mod, let's see who takes the last two spots. Not everyone is familiar with it.

	01-06-2004 02:43									#7
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quote: Originally posted by alexman The only reason to choose the landmass type is so that we don't have one player isolated all alone on an island until the middle ages. That would make it boring for him. Personally, I like random maps though.

I remember an old strat forum PBEM AAR where Dom blamed the isolation of two tribes on a continent for making the game boring. This could be more severe with a 4/2 division, but I think it would be playable if everyone remains adaptive with their strategies.

quote: As for the AU mod, let's see who takes the last two spots. Not everyone is familiar with it.

Including me. I tried it for the first time yesterday and lost a Curragh trying to cut across a small bay in 503.

	01-06-2004 03:03									#8
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I'm interested in Slot A guys.

The timing suits me and I can play regularly, but sometimes I do go out during the week - it will only mean that I may occassionally play my turn a bit later. Is that okay?

	01-06-2004 05:39									#9
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I'd like to join. Unfortunately being in the land of Oz (GMT +8), the only slot that would be practical for me is D. If any of you are flexible, then you can put me down. Otherwise, have a great game!

Last edited by Aqualung71 on 01-06-2004 at 05:45

	01-06-2004 17:31									#10
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If nobody takes slot B, should we start with 5 players?
The fewer the players, the greater the chance to get more than 2 turns per day now and then...

Also, for the 5 of us already signed up, please state whether you prefer a random landmass or a pangaea. We'll go with the majority's preference.

Last edited by alexman on 01-06-2004 at 17:42

	01-06-2004 17:41									#11
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Simply because we've played pangea so often, maybe random will add a bit of spice. 1 for random.

	01-06-2004 18:02									#12
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I'll go random. Are we able to call for a re-start on the first turn should your start postion be especially shoddy?

	01-06-2004 18:04									#13
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except size, all random please

	01-06-2004 18:08									#14
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OK, I'll go with random as well to settle the issue with 4 votes.

You can ask for a restart even after your second turn, but keep in mind that this would re-assign civilizations too.

	01-06-2004 19:28									#15
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hm... what is, if A calls for a restart and B liked his civ... can B reclaim that civ so the restart doesn't have to be too disadvantageous?

it would be fair towards the people not asking for a restart...

	01-06-2004 19:47									#16
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I guess we could do that, but then B would not be allowed to ask for a restart, even if the restart places him in a terrible start.

In other words you get the option to keep your civ but it counts as a request to restart (everyone gets a max of one request to restart). Otherwise the odds would be skewed in favor of the players with good (i.e. agricultural) civilizations in the first start.

How does that sound?

	01-06-2004 20:05									#17
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sounds good.

so the rule would be something like this:

everybody has exactly 1 veto which can be used for EITHER
- restart because of any reason (crappy starting location or bad civ)
OR
- keep the civ you were assigned in the last try [for all future restarts?]


as for the last position (slot B), eliitmees (eastern europe) may fit in to that profile, or possibly some western european (conqueror? chrisiusmaximus? kermit_the_frog?).


you said that may 5 is better if we want to get more than 2 turns per day in. for that, we should maybe check the availability of everyone here. i can play my rounds mostly within a maximum of 3 hours between 08 and 24 GMT (sometimes earlier, sometimes longer) for the next 4 months...

	01-06-2004 22:45									#18
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I'm fine with random (water%, but not map size).

I don't like the ability to call a civ on restart, prefering to keep it simple and restart with a clean slate...

	02-06-2004 00:22									#19
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if this is too oddball, just ignore it

could we edit in 4 settlers and four workers at the start instead of one of each? That would help us get by the sluggish start problem, and, frankly, i don't see the downside?

	02-06-2004 00:29									#20
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Hmm, I'm not sure, I actually enjoy the start of the game a lot.

Plus won't giving extra Settlers to everyone make the game less interesting in the beginning? You no longer have to make a decision between REX and units because it's obvious you will need units.

	02-06-2004 01:24									#21
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I agree. The only thing is does is save three weeks of real time

	02-06-2004 05:43									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D I don't like the ability to call a civ on restart, prefering to keep it simple and restart with a clean slate...

Since this is a friendly game, not a tournament, I think we can be more flexible. If somebody likes the civ they got in the first start, lets go ahead and let them keep it. We're here to have fun after all.

So it looks like there is nobody interested in slot B. Unless you guys know anyone in Europe who would be a good fit, let's start with five players. Andy can then party every weekday and still make his slot!

Who wants to start it up?

	02-06-2004 20:49									#23
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Daily bump!

Unless somebody wants to set this game up during their slot today, I will do it in my own next slot (in about 8 hours). But no ganging up on me if I give myself the Celts and a couple of floodplain-wheat tiles, OK?

	02-06-2004 21:05									#24
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if you give me the dutch with 3 cattle, a river and coastal start i promise i won't join the ganging up

can't start another game. waaaay to many tracker thread have been started by me *hide*

	03-06-2004 03:43									#25
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No volunteers to bash for our bad start?
OK fine, off we go then!

4000 BC sent to Rommel2D.

	03-06-2004 03:59									#26
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Civs:
alexman: Portuguese
Rommel2D: Japanese
Andydog: Byzantines
sabrewolf: Dutch (as promised)
jshelr: Arabs

	03-06-2004 04:36									#27
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wow, lots of seafarers

	03-06-2004 10:30									#28
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to Andydog

(and I'm oh-fer-one on my timeslot... close enough?)

	03-06-2004 11:26									#29
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off to sabrewolf.

Good luck folks.

	03-06-2004 12:26									#30
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not.... very.... happy....
but i'll try it none the less

4000bc to jshelr