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charliechizel is offline charliechizel
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Dec 2002
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Get this...in my last game as the koreans i got six, yes you read that correctly SIX scientific leaders. I was just wondering if anyone has ever gotten more than that. Usually I never get more than 1 or 2, even with scientific civs. It was on monarch, and needless to say I cruised to an easy cultural victory in 1922. I could have crushed the remaining civs long before but i thought it was fitting to win culturally as I rushed great wonders with all 6 leaders. If anyone thinks I'm full of it I can post the save a turn before victory, then you can watch the little movie thing and count them. Im at work now, but if anyone wants to see proof of this ridiculousness let me know.

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Mar 1999
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I never got any scientific great leader.
I'm mostly playing demi-god / deity level, thus I'm surely not oftenly the first to discover the techs. But I still oftenly am, for sure late in the game (and very early)

But never got any of them. It starts to suck.

Thus, to answer your question: No, I never got more than 6 SGL in a game. *sob*

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Nov 2001
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Sep 1999
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I once got 2 in one turn That was pretty awesome.

Never got more than 2 in the course of a game though.

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Mar 1999
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Is there any formula to calculate the change of a GL appearing?

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Sep 1999
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Yeah, when you are the first to discover a tech, you get a 3% change of generating a SGL, unless you've got a scientific civ, then the odds are 5%.

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Mar 1999
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I've surely discovered at least 40 techs since I started playing c3c as first. Thus: the odds surely appear to be against me.....

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Sep 1999
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The changes of NOT getting a SGL after researching 40 techs first as a non-scientific civ is close to 30%

Which means it will happen to a lot of people...

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I've had three in one game, but most games I see zero.

Ljube is offline Ljube
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May 2003
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Playing only demi god and deity, never seen one.

In my previous demi game I was first to discover at least 10 techs and I still didn't get one. I decided to switch them off for future games.

Arrian is offline Arrian
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I think the most I ever got in one game was 4. Which was absurd, of course.

The key is the timing, though. I'll take 1 nice and early for the Pyramids over 2 or 3 later in the game.

-Arrian

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3 and 5% are rather low numbers....

If you are first to every tech through all 4 ages(80-90 techs) you still got some 8% change of not getting any SGLs.

You need 23 techs to reach 50% probability of a SGL for non-scientific civs, 14 for scientific civs.

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I think the most I ever got in one game was 4. Which was absurd, of course.

The key is the timing, though. I'll take 1 nice and early for the Pyramids over 2 or 3 later in the game.

-Arrian


You sure got that right.

I just got my first Ultra-early SGL. Rushed the Pyramids in 2150-odd BC. Expansion went through the roof, and meant I could secure the Colossus and then Mausoleum in the high-trade Colossus city to keep that pop growing..

Charlie - when did you get your first SGL or two in that game?

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I got 2 in the Mesopotamia conquest...in a regular game not much, but in that conquest it'll win the game, practically.

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Nov 2001
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I actually can't remember the last time I had an SGL, it has been that long.

Makes me think about trying a Science civ, but it probably would not help.

Arrian is offline Arrian
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If you play up on Demigod, it's harder to be the first to many techs. You typically play Demi, right?

-Arrian

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Often, but for the past few months it has been mostly Sid. And yes, you do not get to be first to a lot of techs.

I am happy to be first to Phil and my freebie. 1.22 has even made that harder.

The good news is the wars can be a riot, if you like seeing several stacks with over 100 units in them coming your way. MGL's are as cheap as dirt though.

Plotinus is offline Plotinus
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Oct 2003
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I once got 2 in one turn That was pretty awesome.


How?? The only way I can think of is if you get Philosophy first, and then get another tech for free first, and get a scientific leader for them both. Now that would be pretty nice.

vmxa1 is offline vmxa1
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It has been reported and a save posted for just such an occurrence. Now that would put a smile on your face and maybe even make you burst out laughing.

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It was me who posted that save. I got to philosophy first, then chose mapmaking. Two leaders

It was so amazing I actually forgot to laugh out loud

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Oct 2001
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I got 2 SGLs on the same turn once by popping a hut and getting philosophy. ToE hasn't paid off that way for me yet but should get reported eventually by someone.

Jethro83 is offline Jethro83
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Mar 2002
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I've found myself in two types of games... the most common one where I get no scientific leaders whatsoever.

And one where they just keep piling up. And strangely, its when I play as a non-scientific civ. I've never had any playing as any scientific civ despite the marginally higher chances.

The most I ever got in one game was eight. Though I don't really see that ever happening again.

Arrian is offline Arrian
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I found myself with a few spare hours yesterday (there haven't been many recently), and I fired up a new game as the Hittites. I've been messing around with them for a while. I figure they give me a pretty good shot at the luckiest start ever: free settler from hut + early SGL (for the Pyramids). Russia might be the best chance for that, but the Hittites are in there. Anyway...

When I saved and quit last night, I titled the save "Luckiest Game Ever Played."

Why?

Settler from hut? Check.
Early SGL? Check... check... check... check!

FOUR Ancient Age SGLs, folks. I used them on the Pyramids, the Great Library, the Forbidden Palace, and the fourth is eagerly awaiting the discovery of Invention.

The funny thing is, in terms of dominance, I've had stronger games. The terrain is very jungly/marshy, and it took me forever to hook up my luxuries. My strongest neighbor is unfortanately the Celts, and they have Zeus (but I haven't seen any GSs, so they might not have iron). All I need now is a MGL for a 3-man chariot army Gotta use that SGL I'm holding, but it's worth it for insta-Leos.

Four SGLs in one game is pretty awesome. Four SGLs in the ancient age is just ridiculous. I'm now due for a run of truely hideous luck.

-Arrian

Arrian is offline Arrian
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My strongest neighbor is unfortanately the Celts, and they have Zeus (but I haven't seen any GSs, so they might not have iron). All I need now is a MGL for a 3-man chariot army Gotta use that SGL I'm holding, but it's worth it for insta-Leos.


In a display of AI stupidity, the Celts DID have iron, or rather access to it, but because it was 1 tile outside their cultural borders (un-expanded), it went unused. No colony in this case. I wonder why. So no GS's & no GA for my powerful neighbor. No more AC's, either, since the fall of Entremont. Got the MGL for the 3x 3MC army, but I got it killed taking Entremont - stupidity on my part there, pushing for the third attack when the army had lost 1/2 its hit points in the first 2. No matter, got another and now have a 3 knight army rampaging around.

-Arrian

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I've had eight or nine in one game.

Loui is offline Loui
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I have had a maximum of 7 SGLs in one game, using a scientific civ. In the early ages they can be a decissive factor.
I have never, ever managed to get a MGL, though, even in the games where I fought a lot. I guess I'll have to concentrate on that next time.

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Stop pestering me.
I have had 0 in 20 games

Arrian is offline Arrian
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I have never, ever managed to get a MGL, though, even in the games where I fought a lot. I guess I'll have to concentrate on that next time.


Just in case you didn't know this already: if you have a SGL lying around unused, you *cannot* generate a MGL. You *can* get another SGL, though. Odd, but true.

-Arrian

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