05-06-2004 16:27									#62
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The Mad Monk
Spoken like a true Hitler Youth. How old are you? Are you a college student? Do you have any idea what it is like to have financial responsibilities in this country? A mortgage, car payment, day care bills, retirement savings? And as if that is not enough to worry about, we have to also pick up the slack for the millions of people who could not get their **** together when they were capable of doing these things for themselves but are now too old and/or poor to do so. Space travel research money is better spent on easing these burdens for Americans. - bfg9000
Tell your ideas to some poor inner city family whose breadwinner got displaced from his job by an illegal immigrant. Or some old person that doesnt get enough money from Social Security/ Medicare to purchase medication they need. - bfg9000

	05-06-2004 16:28									#63
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You're auditioning for my next sig?

	05-06-2004 16:31									#64
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I just hate it how the guys with the longest (6 or 7 lines okay, upon recalculating I noticed that you have 8) sigs are always the ones which like constantly giving one-smilie-long replies a la Kucinich.

Not everyone has a 2048x1528 ffs, give us a break.

	05-06-2004 16:31									#65
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Suffer.

	05-06-2004 18:59									#66
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What happened to Mr. Garibaldi?

	05-06-2004 19:03									#67
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...G'kar?

	05-06-2004 19:20									#68
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I think the real question here is: what was better? Alien or Aliens?

Neither because it's like comparing apples and oranges, IMO.

Alien was more of a bleak portrayal of a postindustrial dystopia, ala Bladerunner. The ship is dark and sprawling, the crew is pale, burned-out, and malnourished. The creature/s feed off of that, or are extension of the pervasive dread.

Aliens is more of a balls-out, Reaganesque, Rambo II shootfest, almost trying to make up for the bleakness of the first movie.

	05-06-2004 19:20									#69
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quote: Originally posted by VJ Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein was just a piece of mental masturbation made by a paranoid American (who couldn't get laid enough), looking for ways to counter the üntermenschen commie menace (chinamen which bred like bunnies).

Actually read the book, Both sides relied on a fairly small well equipped force to do ground fighting.

	05-06-2004 21:54									#70
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1. ST DS9
2. B5 (would be #1, if it wasn't for some critical flaws)
3. ST TOS/TNG
4. SW (would be higher, if it wasn't for Ep 1 & 2)
5. ST VOY/ENT

	05-06-2004 22:12									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus 1. ST DS9 2. B5 (would be #1, if it wasn't for some critical flaws) 3. ST TOS/TNG 4. SW (would be higher, if it wasn't for Ep 1 & 2) 5. ST VOY/ENT

Wow! My sentiments exactly! I'd be tempted to give DS 9 and B5 a tie for first.

I weould like to give honorable mention to "Space: Above and Beyond" for portraying the military of the future in a fairly realistic manner (other than the strange wastage of space fighter pilots as ground troops).

What is Blake's 7? Did it ever air on American TV?

	05-06-2004 22:17									#72
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DS9 was a good show until they made Sisko a Prophet.

	05-06-2004 22:19									#73
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc DS9 was a good show until they made Sisko a Prophet.

So what, it was good for the first 45 minutes of the pilot?

I liked DS9 - best Trek ever (well, except for Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country)

	05-06-2004 22:20									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove What is Blake's 7? Did it ever air on American TV?

British Sci Fi. Sort of the anti-Star Trek. Kind of simmilar to Farscape or Firefly, but with british accents. It was shown on some PBS stations.

	05-06-2004 22:23									#75
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Mr. Garibaldi became one of the richest industrialists in humanity by marrying the widow of one of the richest industrialists in humanity.

	05-06-2004 22:36									#76
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B5 rulez. Like a reqular soap, but when someone gets really pissed, instead of trying to badmouth you or ruin your life otherwise, they send a fleet to destroy your homeworld. Gotta love that. Realistic human tech, the early EA ships didn't even have artificial gravity, they had seatbelts. And newtonian flightmodel soothes the soul of any old Warhead pilot. Which reminds me of the SFX, which, AFAIK, were made with Amigas. (Not the reqular A500's, though...)

Quantum Leap was also great, and Red Dwarf, what I saw of it. Heck, they had JFK assassinate JFK...

Bladerunner, Directors Cut was also a great experience. And the first Planet of the Apes. "God damn you all to hell!" as they say.

Forbidden Planet, Dark Star (oh yeah!), Osamu Tezuka's Metropolis, Ghost in the Shell and Star Wreck. (Valopallot rulez ok.) There really haven't been that much good scifi on big screen lately...

Never had much interest in Alien movies, but did enjoy Resurrection immensely, solely because of Annalee Call...

I feel like I'm forgetting something big...

Well, Galaxy Quest was fun. Farscape also, beeing the only thing on finnish tv at the moment. Enterprise seems to be picking up steam quite well.

ST: Voyage Home was fun also.

	05-06-2004 22:46									#77
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all of those three are better than the abomination known as "Lost in Space".

	06-06-2004 00:02									#78
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But did Mr. Garibaldi ever got over his drinking probem?

	06-06-2004 00:03									#79
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Also Blade Runner the series isnt so bad.

	06-06-2004 00:21									#80
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There is a blade runner series?

	06-06-2004 00:45									#81
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No, not really. Just a total rekall series wich tries to look a lot like the BR

	06-06-2004 01:23									#82
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1. B5
2. ST DS9
3. ST TNG/Stargate SG-1
4. SW
5. ST VOY/ST ENT

TOS: Never saw it.

SW, I don´t like Ep 1, 2 and hate the ewoks.

	06-06-2004 01:45									#83
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius But did Mr. Garibaldi ever got over his drinking probem?

Yes.

	06-06-2004 01:46									#84
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quote: Wow! My sentiments exactly! I'd be tempted to give DS 9 and B5 a tie for first.

Me too. But what made me put B5 in 2nd place was the lack of continuation in the cast (Sinclair left, Na'toth left, half the cast of the pilot left, Ivanova left, Talia left, Marcus died, etc.) and lousy and sudden ending to the Shadow Wars, made me put it in 2nd place. That, and season 5 sucked (compared to seasons 3 and 4), giving the show an anti climax. But overal it was a terrific show.

DS9 just did a tad better in the closing of the war and had more continuation in cast members (of the main characters credited, only Jadzia died I believe), warranting it's 1st place in my list. That, and Avery Brooks. His performance in certain eps (like the 1930s ep, in which he's a black writer) is stunning. He makes Sisko a terrific character, better than Sheridan and better even than Picard or Kirk, IMHO.

TOS and TNG are tied. TOS started out great, but got rather crappy towards the end. TNG had some awful episodes too, mainly in the first seasons, but it grew rather well. Overall, I can't pick a favorite.

SW was kick ass...but Episodes 1 & 2 kinda ruin it. They are ok movies to watch once or twice, but on overal they were rather mediocre. And their sucking nature takes away some of the magic from episodes 4, 5 and 6. A shame.

Voyager and Enterprise are tied too...but only because both suck so badly. Enterprise is still going though, so it may get better (DS9, TNG and B5 all sucked in the begining too)...but then again, they already had 3 seasons, they should have gotten things right by now. Season 3 was alright to watch, but completely irrelevant. The whole Xindi thing was pointless, it showed us little, and played out like 1 big episode. It would have been alright if they managed to make it into a Dominion War like saga, spanning several seasons...but instead, the Xindi weapon plot came...and went. Now, season 4 will be starting, and we're right where we left of at the end of season 2. The Xindi have made peace and left, and a new saga starts.

Space above and Beyond, as well as some other series/movies, deserve and honorable mention. But the thread is about ST/SW/B5...so I left them out of the list. and Crusader (B5 spin-off) has never appeared on tv here, and I've never watched it therefor.

	06-06-2004 08:20									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Edan So what, it was good for the first 45 minutes of the pilot?

He was an Emissary for most of the series. It was shown he was a child of one of the wormhole aliens ;etter in the series. All episodes centering on his relationship with the aliens were crap.

	06-06-2004 08:53									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Wow! My sentiments exactly! I'd be tempted to give DS 9 and B5 a tie for first. I weould like to give honorable mention to "Space: Above and Beyond" for portraying the military of the future in a fairly realistic manner (other than the strange wastage of space fighter pilots as ground troops). What is Blake's 7? Did it ever air on American TV?

I have a few eight hour tapes lying around somewhere, filled with Space: Above and Beyond episodes.

Blake's 7 is shown here on PBS stations. I caught the entire series back in the late eighties/very early nineties when channel 31 was still WNYC.

It had great writing, combined with Dr. Who caliber special effects. It worked.

	06-06-2004 08:56									#87
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.....I liked the Ewoks.....

:ducks:

	06-06-2004 09:00									#88
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Beecha wawa!

	06-06-2004 09:01									#89
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Blake's 7 is shown here on PBS stations. I caught the entire series back in the late eighties/very early nineties when channel 31 was still WNYC. It had great writing, combined with Dr. Who caliber special effects. It worked.

Oh so that's what that sci-fi British show is. God that looks terrible. Frankly all of those British shows they play late at night on PBS look terrible.

Though there was this one with a superhero/alien. That was pretty funny, cause it was about his relationship with his girlfriend and her family and such. But... that sci-fi one sucks wookie balls.

	06-06-2004 09:03									#90
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I've heard good things about Starship Troopers 2...