04-06-2004 21:30									#1
	Star Trek vs. Star Wars vs. Babylon 5 Thread Got spare money?

Battle it out, geeks; I'm always up for a self-esteem boost...

	04-06-2004 21:33									#2
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B5 all the way!!!

	04-06-2004 21:35									#3
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Yay, never saw any .

	04-06-2004 21:38									#4
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Don't forget Blake's 7!

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STAR TREK                               BLAKES 7

 1. The triumph of morality.             1. The triumph of amorality.
 2. The Federation is good.              2. The Federation is evil.
 3. The Federation is an instrument of   3. The Federation is a fascist
    democracy and free speech.              military dictatorship.
 4. Everyone on the ship gets along.     4. Don't turn your back.
 5. Reliable friends.                    5. Betrayal.
 6. Goal: "to explore strange new        6. Goal: to survive, destroy the
    worlds & civilizations", assist         Federation and make a fast
    Federation colonies and promote         buck whenever possible.
    Federation growth.
 7. The basic crew don't die; in fact,   7. The basic crew dies, disappears,
    they come back from the dead.           and finds better things to do.
 8. The Captain has a receding           8. The Captain has a perm.
    hairline or no hair.
 9. The heroes chase things.             9. The heroes are chased.
10. Electric shavers that can stun.     10. Cattle prods that kill.
11. A new planet every episode.         11. A new plot every episode.
12. Special effects.                    12.
13. When nothing else works, the        13. When nothing else works, the
    Captain will try deception.             crew will try a little truth.
14. Disposable extras.                  14. Disposable regulars.
15. The Boy Scout mentality.            15. Niccolo Machiavelli.
16. Occasional sarcasm.                 16. Occasional straight dialogue.
17. Stand by your friends.              17. Stand behind your friends.
18. Love will save the day.             18. Love = carelessness = death.
19. Choosing between good and evil.     19. Choosing the lesser of two evils.
20. Mind-meld.                          20. Telepathy.
21. Transporters are commonplace.       21. Transporters are amazing.
22. Helpless females.                   22. Ball-busting females.
23. An alien crew member.               23. An alien crew member.
24. Computer personality problems.      24. Computer personality problems.
25. Justifying pacifism.                25. Justifying your right to live.

	04-06-2004 21:42									#5
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is pretty lame about projecting the future of weaponry and warfare. Just take a look at Starship Troopers. In the book, each infrantry man is an incredible fighting machine armed with tactical nukes. In the movie, they might have spaceships, but they are no better armored and armed than current day US Army Rangers.

Have you ever seen the destructive power of the 30mm gun on an A-10 (firing depleted uranium rounds)? It is far more destructive than any sci-fi weapon I have ever seen on TV or the movies. Don't you think people who can regularly cross the distance between stars could do better than that for an infantry weapon?

Some other things that really bother me

Beam Weapons:
If they fire out a continuous beam of destructive power, why don't they ever sweep the weapon while firing?

Smart Weapons:
Our hit rates have gone up by an order of magnitude in the last 20 years. Why do hit rates in the future stay the same or get worse?

Rapid fire:
Why are do most weapons of the future fire single shots? Even the ones that are rapid fire have a slower rate of fire than current day weapons.

Over the Horizon:
Current day weapons routinely target enemies beyond the field of view (over the horizon). Why are weapons of the future limited to line of sight?

	04-06-2004 21:59									#6
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat B5 all the way!!!

One of the very few things diplo and I agree on.

	04-06-2004 22:27									#7
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quote: Originally posted by pchang is pretty lame about projecting the future of weaponry and warfare. Just take a look at Starship Troopers. In the book, each infrantry man is an incredible fighting machine armed with tactical nukes. In the movie, they might have spaceships, but they are no better armored and armed than current day US Army Rangers. Have you ever seen the destructive power of the 30mm gun on an A-10 (firing depleted uranium rounds)? It is far more destructive than any sci-fi weapon I have ever seen on TV or the movies. Don't you think people who can regularly cross the distance between stars could do better than that for an infantry weapon? Some other things that really bother me Beam Weapons: If they fire out a continuous beam of destructive power, why don't they ever sweep the weapon while firing? Smart Weapons: Our hit rates have gone up by an order of magnitude in the last 20 years. Why do hit rates in the future stay the same or get worse? Rapid fire: Why are do most weapons of the future fire single shots? Even the ones that are rapid fire have a slower rate of fire than current day weapons. Over the Horizon: Current day weapons routinely target enemies beyond the field of view (over the horizon). Why are weapons of the future limited to line of sight?

Lasers won't follow the horizon.

ACK!

	04-06-2004 22:35									#8
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Whatever the show is with the guy who played Hercules in it... Hercules in Space?

	04-06-2004 22:59									#9
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Andromeda.

	04-06-2004 23:01									#10
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Blake's 7 is sci-fi at it's best!!!

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quote: code: 12. Special effects. 12.

	04-06-2004 23:15									#12
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B5. Best. Science Fiction. Show. Ever.

	04-06-2004 23:18									#13
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SW. Best. Science Fiction. Movie. Ever.

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That'd be Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn

	04-06-2004 23:23									#15
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NO, that would be 2001.

	04-06-2004 23:25									#16
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2001 was way to boring.

	04-06-2004 23:25									#17
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Completely different type of sci-fi.

quote: That'd be Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn

:vomit:

	04-06-2004 23:28									#18
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quote: That'd be Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn

That's Khan, buddy...

	04-06-2004 23:30									#19
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I'm more partial to the Picard song myself

	04-06-2004 23:31									#20
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omg star wars baby

	04-06-2004 23:39									#21
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc 2001 was way to boring.

Like ST:Khan?

2001 is certainly a far greater film than any ST movie, and more than SW.

	04-06-2004 23:41									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich SW. Best. Science Fiction. Movie. Ever.

PAH!

THEY LIVE! is far better!

The first place I heard the quote:

quote: "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum. "

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	05-06-2004 00:16									#23
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Star Trek VI: Undiscovered Country is by far the greatest sci-fi movie, although it would more appropriately be classified as a space opera, just as Star Wars is closer to fantasy.

	05-06-2004 00:26									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Star Trek VI: Undiscovered Country is by far the greatest sci-fi movie,

Oh come on. It wasn't even the best ST movie. It was full of preachy garbage.

The best SciFi movie of all time is The Empire Strikes Back, and Blade Runner and Alien are up there.

	05-06-2004 00:27									#25
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I'm kinda partial to RoTJ... Ewoks aside, it has THE epic space battle. Never been topped.

	05-06-2004 00:31									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich I'm kinda partial to RoTJ... Ewoks aside,

Yeah, and Titanic would have been a great movie were it not for the Leo-Kate love story crap. But it's there, so we suffer.

	05-06-2004 00:33									#27
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Touché

	05-06-2004 00:41									#28
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Star Wars (Original Trilogy of course) is the only cool one of the three. The other two are for geeky dweebs.

	05-06-2004 00:48									#29
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"But I was going down to the Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!"

Very cool indeed.

	05-06-2004 00:50									#30
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My ranking:

Star Trek:

Undiscovered Country
Wrath of Khan
Voyage Home
The Motion Picture
Search for Spock/Final Frontier

I do not bother ranking the TNG movies. They are all equally subpar to the original crew.


Star Wars:

Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Star Wars

I have not seen B5, but if I get the chance I most certainly will.