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NOOO! MY TOWER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! X.x... I'm pretty sure i sent my orders the earliest... I shoulda used all 6 gold to make the mighty tower :/. Atleast i can make swords now .

Do I get ten gold plus 2 to start the next turn with?

BTW, In the first chart darkcloud's name is Dukecloud

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Society Cities Tech Army Nukes SDI Gold
DarkCloud 2 1 0 0 0 10
Gamecube64 1 2 0 0 0 12
Ljube 2 1 0 0 0 10
Jamski 1 1 0 0 0 6
Spaced Cowboy 2 1 0 0 0 10


Wonders of the World
The Tower of Babel in Byzantium (Jamski)

Yup Gameis, you do get to change production in this game, so as you see, you are now the richest nation.

Now taking orders for 3000 BC. Let's try to keep it to 24 hour rounds or less now.

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After the race of the Tower of Babel I was left very distrought. But, My seers reported news. Apparently they saw visions of what they call a "Chart". This "Chart" ,as they call it, Is a vision of a colored rectangle that shows information about the other peoples of this world and their accomplishments. It showed names, cities, something called "Nukes", something called "SDIs", gold, and scientific level. Apparently I was the father of science, being the only civilization to have any technology. This made me very excited. I had an idea for a great entertainment stadium, the Colloseum. This Great Wonder would make us seem like a fierce and powerful people, and no one would dare attack us, even if we had no soldiers to our name.

Yes, I'm buildng the Colloseum, but you guys can't stop me! Ya hear that Jamski, can't stop me! I'm invincible till I get to tech level 8!

Edit: Smiley, can you write city names on the squares? they seem to be big enough.

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I'm invincible till I get to tech level 8!

Or someone beats you to tech level 8 then you're in big trouble!

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2. Colosseum- makes you immune to enemy attack. Expires with Tech Level 8.

Sound to me like it happens when I get to tech level 8.

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If it works anything at all like Civ II, it will expire when anyone gets to tech level 8.

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orders sent. I hate starting out next to people...makes you have to play defensive.

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I don't have to play defensively till tech 8, when everyone else will be anyway! so, NYAH!

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Bwah hahah! Fear my tower!

Ordersent

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Smiley,

Clairify trading please. When can we trade (what tech level) You should tech 3 as trade in the trade section, but in the tech level section level 3 is Trojan horse/monarchy. You mention that we need a caravan to trade, but that is tech level 5.

Lastly if both players need to buy a caravan to trade at tech level 5 (when caravans are available) then the cost for a caravan is ??? 5X5=25 ???

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5+5=10 is the cost, 5x5=25 is the profit, and 25-10=15, the actualy profit earned.

Do both players have to pay the ten? or only the person who initiates the trade? so does the person being traded to make 25 gold and you make 10?

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Trade
Ah yes, it is tech level 5 for trade. Sorry about that. Wouldn't make much sense to trade at Tech 3 anyway.

In your scenario, the person initiating the trade makes 15, the person on the recieving end makes 25.

The Colosseum
Expires when anyone reaches Tech 8. The owner of the Colosseum may still make attacks, but the attacked player is entitled to one counterattack per such attack.

City Names
Putting names on the map could potentially get very messy, especially if there are long names. I'll list them below the wonders list though.

Orders recieved from all except Ljube.

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Sent.

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3000 BC
(turn #2)

The Legend of the Colosseum
As told by Gameis

After the race of the Tower of Babel I was left very distrought.

But, My seers reported news. Apparently they saw visions of what they call a "Chart". This "Chart" ,as they call it, Is a vision a colored rectangle that shows information about the other peoples of this world and their accomplishments. It showed names, cities, something called "Nukes", something called "SDIs", gold, and scientific level. Apparently I was the father of science, being the only civilization to have any tachnology. This made me very excited. I had an idea for a great entertainment stadium, the Colloseum. This Great Wonder would make us seem like a fierce and powerful people, and no one would dare attack us, even if we had no soldiers to our name. In addition to this great accomplishment would would build a city, Rectanprismia, to the west.

The Sack of Belgrade
The Spaced Dudes sensed fear upon encountering a southern neighbor.
These people, the Serbs, had built many cities across the center of the world, first their capital Belgrade, then Novi Sad.
But the great leader of the Spaced Dudes, the emperor Spaced Cowboy, proclaimed to his people there was nothing to fear.
Wise people of my nation have discovered the art of iron working, he declared, holding high a glimmering sword.
With this, we shall strike fear in our enemies. Great furnaces were fueled and hundreds of swords were forged.
Spaced Cowboy himself chose six brave citizens to lead six armies of sword-wielding warriors.
Then he watched the skies, waiting for the time to come. Come it did, with a dry autumn when the river between the two lands dried.
The banners were raised and the armies charged. They swept down towards the city of Belgrade.
As they reached the mud wall that circled the town, something seemed strange. The enemy was nowhere to be seen.
Some warriors feared an ambush. But Spaced's fearless generals urged his troops forwards. Storming the walls, they overcame the sharpened sticks of the townsfolk and captured the palace.
The generals pushed the attack, sweeping out down the road to Novi Sad in pursuit of the Emperor Ljube. Once again a strange sight greeted them at the city, that same quiet calm.
Now bold from victory, the army broke down the palisade and easily took the town. Emperor Ljube still eluded them though.
Then a sharp eyed scout spotted a path into the woods. Then a sign, one that said, to Nis.
In the face of the swords, the last city of the Serbs put up a valiant fight. But their weapons of bronze were no match for those of iron.
As Spaced Cowboy himself came to survey the scene, he saw an inscription on a stone. It read in a language he could barely read, Ljube will return.

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Other merchants' and travellers' tales

Under the leadership of DarkCloud, the Empire of Iguana Fire has discovered Iron Working

Basileus Jamski's Byzantines have built a new city. (A2)

Map is below.

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Society Cities Tech Army Nukes SDI Gold
DarkCloud 2 2 0 0 0 26
Gamecube64 2 2 0 0 0 22
Jamski 2 1 0 0 0 11
Spaced Cowboy 5 2 6 0 0 50


Wonders of the World
The Tower of Babel in Byzantium (Jamski)
The Colosseum in Pyramedes (Gamecube)

The Holy Empire of Iguana Fire
Emperor DarkCloud
Igualica (H8)
Centralis (G8)

The Empire of Cubium
Emperor Gameis
Pyramedes (D3)
Rectanprismia (C3)

The Byzantine Empire
Emperor Basileus Jamski I
Byzantium (A1)
New City (A2)

The Spaced Dudes
Emperor Spaced Cowboy
PonyTown (F2)
Boot City (F3)
Belgrade (F4)
Novi Sad (G4)
Nis (G5)


Now taking orders for 2000 BC.
As Ljube has demonstrated, it's a bad idea to leave yourself completely undefended if you have neighbors.

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The combat rules are flawed.

There is no way I could have defended my cities if both Spaced and I had committed entire production to the military.

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(brag) Unless you have to colloseum of course (/brag)

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Hmm, both of you had 2 cities, tech 1, and 10 gold to spend. There are two possible all out attack configurations:
10 armies, Tech 1. to which the defense is 6 armies, Tech 2.
((10 / 2) - (6 / 2)) * (1 / 2), attacker gains 1 city.
(6 / 1), attacker takes 6 casualties.
(6 / 2) * 1, defender takes 3 casualties.

2nd configuration, also the one used. Use the same defense of 6 armies at tech 2.
((6 / 2) - (6 / 2)) * (2 / 2), attacker gains nothing.
(6 / 2), attacker takes 3 casualties.
(6 / 2) * 0, defender takes no casualties.

The key is not putting all money to military, but to put some to technology.

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Turn sent.

Today something very strange happened, a foreigner came from the lands to the west. She said she was the daughter of some Ljube Lvecsomething something. I will give her a room in the palce for the night, she says she has something important to tell me but is extremely exhausted. I have to say, she does have alot of foreign beauty...

I'm the father of technology .

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sorry LL, my orders are in

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but I fear Spaced Cowboy has already won unless we ally against him

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Hmm, both of you had 2 cities, tech 1, and 10 gold to spend. There are two possible all out attack configurations:
10 armies, Tech 1. to which the defense is 6 armies, Tech 2.
((10 / 2) - (6 / 2)) * (1 / 2), attacker gains 1 city.
(6 / 1), attacker takes 6 casualties.
(6 / 2) * 1, defender takes 3 casualties.

2nd configuration, also the one used. Use the same defense of 6 armies at tech 2.
((6 / 2) - (6 / 2)) * (2 / 2), attacker gains nothing.
(6 / 2), attacker takes 3 casualties.
(6 / 2) * 0, defender takes no casualties.

The key is not putting all money to military, but to put some to technology.


Look Smiley, I'm not a sore loser. But a casual glance at the rules of combat reveals that no matter what I do, he can take at least one of my cities if he chooses.

My only possible and reasonable response could have been to take his cities in turn, which had also been indefensible.

Instead of doing that, I decided to propose a cease-fire and a trade alliance, which seemed most reasonable solution in the long run. I still don't know why he attacked me. This isn't a game in which luck factor decides, so he would have been better off with a trade partner and a loyal ally, rather than being alone against a coalition of everybody else.

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Hmm, gonna have to think about how we can rework the war rules. Though it is quite true that Spaced now has a huge lead. Maybe conquered cities shouldn't contribute gold the first turn after conquest?

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2000 BC
(Turn #3)

The Golden Age of Antiquity. Science flourished in many nations.

Basileus Jamski I joined the rest of the world with the discovery of Iron Working.

DarkCloud of Iguana Fire unlocked the secrets of Monarchy and Philosophy.

The bold scientists of the Spaced Dudes went further, discovering Monarchy, Philosophy, and Trade.

Gameis was content with his science, and took the time to settle the continent with the new cities of Trianprismia (B3) and Hexagonia (A3).

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Yay, you can make cities like that! If more than one person settles a square is it whoever sends orders first?

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LL,

I never said that I wouldn't attack you, but to the rules are somewhat flawed, I agree.

I suspect that we might have to:
1. Do random placement of the start cities such that they are all at least three squares apart.
2. Make a rule that attacking is not allowed until turn 5.
3. Make a rule that war must be declared before attacking (I like this one best) AKA no sneak attacks.

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Society Cities Tech Army Nukes SDI Gold
DarkCloud 2 4 1 0 0 40
Gamecube64 4 2 0 0 0 41
Jamski 2 2 0 0 0 31
Spaced Cowboy 5 5 6 0 0 125


Wonders of the World
The Tower of Babel in Byzantium (Jamski)
The Colosseum in Pyramedes (Gamecube)

The Holy Empire of Iguana Fire
Emperor DarkCloud
Igualica (H8)
Centralis (G8)

The Empire of Cubium
Emperor Gameis
Pyramedes (D3)
Rectanprismia (C3)
Trianprismia (B3)
Hexagonia (A3)

The Byzantine Empire
Emperor Basileus Jamski I
Byzantium (A1)
New City (A2)

The Spaced Dudes
Emperor Spaced Cowboy
PonyTown (F2)
Boot City (F3)
Belgrade (F4)
Novi Sad (G4)
Nis (G5)

Hmm, right now Spaced outproduces the world. I feel the following causes are the biggest factors leading to this:

1) Processing initial placement and first turn simultaneously, resulting in Ljube and Spaced as neighbors at the end of Turn 1.

2) Flaws in war formulas. Perhaps armies should have limited range?

3) Conquered cities being equally valuable as those built by player. This one is particularly unbalancing.

At this point I propose a couple of options:

1) Declare Spaced winner and restart game with revised rules.

2) Change rules so that Spaced doesn't recieve income for conquered cities until this turn (puts his previous turn's income at 20 instead of 50) and re-run last turn.

3) Play on without any modifications.

Let me know what you guys think.

On city settlement, yes, first come first settle.

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Spaced, to the "war must be declared" rule. But rather than rule out all sneak attacks, make them less effective (strange) or more expensive (makes more sense).

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War must be declared is a very good rule, but it should depend on the government I guess.

I want to see this game continuing and Spaced nuking the rest back into the stone age.

 
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