20-06-2004 10:48									#61
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bob rulz many people from CFC post here and some from here post there as well.

Anyway ask any questions you want.

	20-06-2004 12:31									#62
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Alright. Well, I went to create an account, but I didn't realize that my storage box was full, so I didn't get the activation e-mail, and they don't let you use more than one account per e-mail. So, I need to close the acocunt, but I don't see any option there that lets me. Is it possible to close your account on CFC?

	20-06-2004 14:33									#63
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Sure - just email or PM the mods. That's what they're there for.

As for general strategy, poke around the Civilization 3 - Strategy forum. There are LOADS of good threads there, if you are prepared to look back as much as a couple of years (Civ3 was released around November 2001, and much good strategy came from the first half of '02 and onwards). One of the topped threads in that forum has a great selection of links to terrific strat threads.

Of course if you have specific questions then fire away.

	21-06-2004 00:10									#64
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quote: Originally posted by bob rulz Alright. Well, I went to create an account, but I didn't realize that my storage box was full, so I didn't get the activation e-mail, and they don't let you use more than one account per e-mail. So, I need to close the acocunt, but I don't see any option there that lets me. Is it possible to close your account on CFC?

Email Thunderfall (at CFC) and he can send you another activation e-mail (or just activate your account for you).

	21-06-2004 04:42									#65
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for me, it's emperor. i win (or would win) most of the games i play (some restarts if starting location sucks too much).

but demigod is just too difficult for a regular win. i don't like the beeline-to-great library-exploit and the AI with 2 starting settlers and 30% (iirc) cheaper production gets ahead of me too fast. also, goody huts never give me anything nice at this level

	21-06-2004 04:50									#66
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Aeson, did you ever play Ascendancy?

that was a great game
i was known as the xenobiologist... often got 15 techs from ancient settlements... i loved getting nano-energy, nano-blasters, and orbital defence systems millenia before the rest

kept me going and going and going... not like MoO3 which i gave up after noticing i just didn't have the brains (or the nerves) for it

	21-06-2004 04:59									#67
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Sid is not as difficult as it is made out to be, it just requires more tedium.
At any difficulty if you can survive to the industrial age with even a mediocre empire and are on par with the ai on tech, it is no problem winning. The ai is far too inefficient with its factories. If you dont beleive me, spy on an ai capital in the industrial age, notice how it produces about 30 shields. Surviving to the industrial age is your primary goal in sid.
The hardest thing to do is keep up in the tech race. To do this i recomend talking to pretty much every ai every turn to see if there are any good deals. Defeating an ai military can also be difficult, for this reason being militaristic is surprisingly useful. Anything to increase your chance for an army is very good.
My last recomendation is to make use of every shield you get. Efficiency must be at a maximum to stand a chance, this is an area that Dominea is probobly the best at.

	21-06-2004 05:58									#68
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Saberwolf, I am guessing Chamachies.

	21-06-2004 06:23									#69
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"Email Thunderfall (at CFC) and he can send you another activation e-mail (or just activate your account for you)."

Okay I did that. How long does it usually take him to respond?

	22-06-2004 21:50									#70
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I've been winning consistently on emperor lately. But, I still get nervous each time I start an emperor game.

	23-06-2004 03:48									#71
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Saberwolf, I am guessing Chamachies.

i don't remember which civ i played in those days. but there were only 2 or 3 i liked the unique ability

	23-06-2004 07:00									#72
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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy I've been winning consistently on emperor lately. But, I still get nervous each time I start an emperor game.

Quit being such a wimp.

On my current emperor game (small map, Maya, Pangaea), I got a start with 2 cows 1 gold 1 game, and 1 wheat. I am in the late ancient age and now I have the biggest empire thanks to my settler factory.

	23-06-2004 22:15									#73
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I wish I was lucky enough to get 4 bonus resources in my starting area. I always have strategic resources but I almost never have luxury or bonus resources, makes things hard. The computer always hates me even when I don't do any ROP rapes or military alliance breakings, and I never raze cities unless it forces me to.

	24-06-2004 20:06									#74
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I have played a couple of Emperor games and won them all. But what are you allowed to do? I usually take a couple of rounds to check out the nearest sorroundings and if things goes bad I re-load. I'm sure I could win at deuty level with this method, but I would take more saves and re-loads, perhaps so many that it would spoil the fun.

	25-06-2004 14:41									#75
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Chieftan 100%
Warlord 80%
Regent 65%
Monarch 50%
Emperor 20%
Demigod 5%
Deity Once!
Sid Never Played It.

But- I have only been killed off on Demigod and higher.
If I don't win, I still usally have a good standing.

And I have most luck with Persians. I've got them down to a fine art, it seems.

	25-06-2004 18:42									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Silpy I have most luck with Persians. I've got them down to a fine art, it seems.

The Persians are for beginners. try the Zulus.

	02-07-2004 15:31									#77
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Yes, the Persians are a good newbie civ (along with Egypt & China) But I find them good even at the higher levels. I don't like the Zulus. I prefer the Mongols.

PS. I never reload. Ever. That's cheating!

	02-07-2004 19:27									#78
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I like the babylonians as well. Those are just as good as the Persians.

anyways I've been playing Monarch games recently. Regent games offer no challenge at all.

If I would revert to some of the tricks I know about here, I could probably play higher. But some of those I consider cheesy and some are exploits. I prefer not to play the game that way.

	02-07-2004 20:23									#79
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Monarch is a level I can win at consistently. I will play higher levels, but I'm not into calculting probability, combat odds, production bonuses, etc, etc etc for every decision in each turn. It seems like the higher up in difficulty you go, the more that type of play is required.

I like to have fun and be able to save and come back days later without having to refresh my memory of the game by writing myself a book of notes because I can't afford one mistake.

	02-07-2004 21:24									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Monarch is a level I can win at consistently. I will play higher levels, but I'm not into calculting probability, combat odds, production bonuses, etc, etc etc for every decision in each turn. It seems like the higher up in difficulty you go, the more that type of play is required. I like to have fun and be able to save and come back days later without having to refresh my memory of the game by writing myself a book of notes because I can't afford one mistake.

Hey Shogun Gunner:

I’m getting a bit more lax in my Sid games as time goes on because I’m finding that winning at the higher levels is not about micromanaging and being ultra-efficient but is rather based upon making sound strategic decisions. You’ll have an easier time of it if you manage your empires resources well…but you win games by concentrating upon; a turn by turn assessment of how you intend to get the win, what you must do to achieve that end, and what you must do not to lose before accomplishing that.

	02-07-2004 22:09									#81
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Drachen,

That's an interesting take. I think I should try Emp or Sid at some point to see how I do. I think I'm ready for a challenge. I just bugs me to see the AI able to plop down two cities for every city I can plant.

Thanks for mentioning that -- I really hate the micromanagement/mathmatetical analysis approach, but I can deal with picking a sound strategy and managing that to victory. I haven't played enough on the higher levels to realize that. Thanks.

	02-07-2004 22:30									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Drachen, That's an interesting take. I think I should try Emp or Sid at some point to see how I do. I think I'm ready for a challenge. I just bugs me to see the AI able to plop down two cities for every city I can plant. Thanks for mentioning that -- I really hate the micromanagement/mathmatetical analysis approach, but I can deal with picking a sound strategy and managing that to victory. I haven't played enough on the higher levels to realize that. Thanks.

Hey Shogun Gunner:

You’re welcome. As to the advantages the AI enjoys all I can say is you get used to it after awhile; accept it and watch the frustration fade away. Just start playing the next level up once you get comfortable at a level and your skills and strategies will evolve and improve. If I can be of any help just let me know.

Cheers

	03-07-2004 08:56									#83
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I like playing for fun, whatever the level. It ceases to be fun if my primary consideration is how I can out-do the AI at a higher level. I'd like to think I'm playing against other civs in the game, not the AI as managed by my computer. Once I start devising strategies to outsmart a higher level AI it becomes less like Civ and more like playing chess on the computer.
As we know, to beat a computer at chess you don't have to be a better chess player, you only need to understand how the computer plays it then use that info to take advantage of it (this is pure Sun Tzu: Understand your enemy and you cannot lose. Computers are especially susceptable to this).

	03-07-2004 10:11									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 I like playing for fun, whatever the level. It ceases to be fun if my primary consideration is how I can out-do the AI at a higher level. I'd like to think I'm playing against other civs in the game, not the AI as managed by my computer. Once I start devising strategies to outsmart a higher level AI it becomes less like Civ and more like playing chess on the computer. As we know, to beat a computer at chess you don't have to be a better chess player, you only need to understand how the computer plays it then use that info to take advantage of it (this is pure Sun Tzu: Understand your enemy and you cannot lose. Computers are especially susceptable to this).

Hey Vince 278:

Nicely done. A cogent piece well reasoned and defended. Let me ask you though, if “out doing” the AI at higher levels in chess like manner is not in particularly fun, then what is it, from an aesthetic viewpoint, that you do find to be fun or satisfying about playing Civ?

	03-07-2004 10:46									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Drachen Hey Vince 278: Nicely done. A cogent piece well reasoned and defended. Let me ask you though, if “out doing” the AI at higher levels in chess like manner is not in particularly fun, then what is it, from an aesthetic viewpoint, that you do find to be fun or satisfying about playing Civ?

Thanks. I suppose I'm a role player and a war gamer at heart. When I take out a civ I'd like to think I outsmarted the civ, not my PC. As the levels near the top it become appearant that I need to take more of a Sun-Tzu approach. Playing multiplayer may come close to what I'd like to see but I realize it is virtually impossible (so far!) for the AI to emulate a real person.

	03-07-2004 19:40									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Thanks. I suppose I'm a role player and a war gamer at heart. When I take out a civ I'd like to think I outsmarted the civ, not my PC. As the levels near the top it become appearant that I need to take more of a Sun-Tzu approach. Playing multiplayer may come close to what I'd like to see but I realize it is virtually impossible (so far!) for the AI to emulate a real person.

It does seem like multi will be your best bet. Good luck!

	04-07-2004 21:37									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Drachen It does seem like multi will be your best bet. Good luck!

Thanks. Computers, with their logic, are utterly predictable. Humans, on the other hand, are madly illogical and therefore dangerous oppponents.

	05-07-2004 07:03									#88
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In my admittedly short forays into MP, it frustrates the hell out of me. You just don't get the time to manage your empire efficiently, which makes the game very unsatisfying for what is essentially still a TBS. Added to that of course, are the madmen there who simply build 100 Jag Warriors and send them over to kill you and won't accept peace at any price, so you spend your time building defenders!

On the other hand, PBEM is the perfect medium for Civ3, though a little slow moving.

	05-07-2004 08:14									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 In my admittedly short forays into MP, it frustrates the hell out of me. You just don't get the time to manage your empire efficiently, which makes the game very unsatisfying for what is essentially still a TBS. Added to that of course, are the madmen there who simply build 100 Jag Warriors and send them over to kill you and won't accept peace at any price, so you spend your time building defenders! On the other hand, PBEM is the perfect medium for Civ3, though a little slow moving.

From the little I know of multi I get the same impression and LAN and internet play are still a bit lag prone for my taste. The PBEM threads seems well populated although I’ve never played a PBEM game. What are your impressions of PBEM Aqualung71?

	05-07-2004 08:22									#90
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for me. Pbem games are too slow. And internet games are too fast (at least the one's I have played with the simultaneous moves). I only seem to play civ3 in single player.