09-06-2004 21:13									#1
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This thread is a companion poll to the poll about modifications to the next ACDG.

Assuming that CMN changes only are to be used in the next ACDG, there is a proposal to prevent choppers being the uber-weapon. As Googlie thus stated:

quote: Add a self-imposed rule that choppers can never attack bases, only units in the open, and we've solved the chopper problem as well as forced teams to think "outside the box" on new military strategies

As with the previous poll, you must state what you voted for in this thread for your vote to be counted. Only posted votes count. The poll is included a quick indication of the current status of this poll. If the "CMN changes only" option does not win in the poll linked to above, this poll is void.

The options are:

Xenodoughnuts: The obligatory banana option.

Happy voting!

	09-06-2004 21:20									#2
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I vote for the no-base attack option. This way new tactics may be used rather than just rushing to choppers and building only them and some drop units.

	09-06-2004 21:25									#3
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No base attacks sounds good. It limits the choppers power, whilst keeping them useful as a unit. It also requires no extra fiddling on anyones part.

	09-06-2004 21:51									#4
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I voted allow all attacks, but if this is the only way to stop the modders complaing, let's do it.

-Jam

	09-06-2004 21:56									#5
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Xenodoughnuts are not the same as xenobananas, meaning that there is no obligatory xenobanana option.

On topic: Anything that starts this game is good.

	09-06-2004 22:03									#6
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That would be a vote for xeno then?

	09-06-2004 22:34									#7
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I do not like xenodoughnuts.

	09-06-2004 22:44									#8
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I hate to make this poll more complicated but I have to ask:
Does this poll assume or not assume that only SAM choppers will be allowed before Fusion Power is researched?
If only SAM choppers would be allowed pre-Fusion, I'd vote for "All attacks allowed".
If the proposal about SAM choppers is not accepted, I'd vote for "No base attacks allowed."

	09-06-2004 22:59									#9
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That proposal came after this poll, so I guess voting how you did works fine.

	09-06-2004 23:05									#10
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I'm voting with my faction leader in this case.

	09-06-2004 23:05									#11
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Is this another faulty poll

	10-06-2004 02:39									#12
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No base attacks.

	10-06-2004 03:25									#13
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No base attacks (under the presumption that the early choppers are tactical).

	10-06-2004 08:12									#14
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I vote:

1) No base attacks with any reactor

2) Choppers either SAM or conventional - with any reactor - can always attack units in the open (SAM incurs the 50% penalty, of course)

	10-06-2004 09:05									#15
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I'm with Maniac on this one:
If only SAM choppers would be allowed pre-Fusion, I'd vote for "All attacks allowed".
If the proposal about SAM choppers is not accepted, I'd vote for "No base attacks allowed."

	10-06-2004 10:43									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac If only SAM choppers would be allowed pre-Fusion, I'd vote for "All attacks allowed".

This is confusing me somewhat.

If "all attacks allowed?, what is the status post-Fusion? Back to "Chop & Drop"?

Maybe the option should be "Only SAM Choppers allowed, any reactor, attack any time" That way there'd always be a 50% ground attack penalty and a defender in a base would also get the intrinsic base defense of 25%, increased with AAA ability and Aerospace bonus.

Noodles (or missiles) would then be the preferred method of attacking bases from the air

	10-06-2004 10:55									#17
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Although I was content with Choppers being reduced in moves, I'm all for knobbling them further.

	10-06-2004 11:46									#18
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Sadly, with the proposal to limit choppers to SAM only, changing what choppers are allowed to do post-fusion, etc, this poll seems to have become void. I think we may need to repoll this one, and include more options. I'll leave the next version to someone else though.

	10-06-2004 16:53									#19
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quote: This is confusing me somewhat. If "all attacks allowed?, what is the status post-Fusion? Back to "Chop & Drop"? Maybe the option should be "Only SAM Choppers allowed, any reactor, attack any time" That way there'd always be a 50% ground attack penalty and a defender in a base would also get the intrinsic base defense of 25%, increased with AAA ability and Aerospace bonus.

Yes, but post-fusion people should have AAA and Aerospace complexes, so the SAM limitation won't be needed. Choppers will die vs that combination.

-Jam

	10-06-2004 18:17									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Choppers will die vs that combination. -Jam

But isn't that exactly the intent of our messing with Choppers? To make them extremely expensive to use agaisnt bases?

As it stands, they are the game's UberUnit. Building regular choppers for tankbusting/crawler rampaging, or empath ones for wormhunting (with SAM for locust eating) I've no problem with. It's when they get to attack a base seven or 8 times in one turn (and if nervegas equipped, each successful hit halves the base's population) that it gets ridiculous.

	10-06-2004 18:26									#21
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So then we have four options:

1. Choppers must be built with SAM til Fusion AND cannot attack bases at any point.
2. Choppers must be built with SAM til Fusion BUT can attack bases after fusion.
3. Choppers can be built with or without SAM, BUT cannot attack bases at any point.
4. Choppers can be built with or without SAM at any point and are unrestricted in their attacks.

Option 4 has already been shot down in polls, so that leaves 1, 2 or 3. 1 seems extremely harsh, penalising choppers twice. 2 or 3 both seem quite feasable. I'm leaning towards 3 at the moment.

Thoughts, comments? Have I missed an option?

	10-06-2004 18:51									#22
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I vote for proposal number one.

	10-06-2004 21:52									#23
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I would like to vote for 3.

	10-06-2004 22:50									#24
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Also going with 3, its the most simple and easy to understand.

	10-06-2004 23:03									#25
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My vote is for 3 - doesn't involve any change to alphax.txt, just circumscribing their use

	11-06-2004 00:16									#26
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Three is the best option, yes.

	11-06-2004 00:36									#27
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Numéros trios.

	11-06-2004 02:26									#28
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English please. This is not mafffia Geo.

	11-06-2004 02:34									#29
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	11-06-2004 04:41									#30
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So now we're going back on the poll to reduce Choppers' movement?

Option 1.