10-06-2004 05:04									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia hey if i was 7 ft tall and 350 lbs, i took could lay it up too. shaq's got one move. post up, back down, and dunk/layup. i mean, he can hardly dribble, and cant play d. i too would lead the league in FG% if every shot was a layup or a dunk. and if you cant shoot from outside the key, you cant shoot. its simple.

No if you were that big you couldn't lay it up too. There is a lot more to it than that. There are people as big as Shaq but they can't do what he does. And most of Shaq's points are scored on layups or dunks. Did you read the article? He has all kinds of moves. And shooting well does not just mean shooting from the outside. A turnaround or hook can be just as hard if not harder than shooting a wide open shot from 20 feet out, but Shaq does these things very well.

Stop saying Shaq can't play D. He has been an all-NBA defensive player 3 times and probably deserves more. Its also inaccurate to say he can hardly dribble. I have seen him lead fast breaks down the court and go coast to coast. And the moves he displays when he fakes and drives to the (which he did 3 times in a half in game 1 when Wallace tried to steal the ball) also show he can dribble.

If you don't like Shaq that's fine. He says a lot of stupid stuff, is extremely arrogant, and plays for a team that people hate. But to say he has no skill and all he does is dunks is ridiculous.

	10-06-2004 05:05									#32
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Aeson: All that proves is that Russell had a far better supporting cast than Wilt did.

Which was my point... Wilt averaged close to 30pts and 30rebs against Russell's Celtics. He won the individual matchup (Russell did pretty well himself, especially rebounding though) and the Celtics won the team matchup.

	10-06-2004 08:39									#33
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quote: No if you were that big you couldn't lay it up too.

are u kidding me? of course i could. i wouldnt even have to jump. you're crazy.

quote: There are people as big as Shaq but they can't do what he does.

no theres not.

quote: He has all kinds of moves.

yeah, the dunk and the layup from a postup. and maybe an alliyoup (sp?)

quote: A turnaround or hook can be just as hard if not harder than shooting a wide open shot from 20 feet out

uh no. and when was the last time he did a hook shot?

quote: Stop saying Shaq can't play D. He has been an all-NBA defensive player 3 times and probably deserves more. Its also inaccurate to say he can hardly dribble. I have seen him lead fast breaks down the court and go coast to coast. And the moves he displays when he fakes and drives to the (which he did 3 times in a half in game 1 when Wallace tried to steal the ball) also show he can dribble.

when? 7 years ago? and no its not inaccurate to say he cant dribble. everyone leads a fast break once. hell even yao did it. and by fakes do you mean pump fakes? cuz his only other move is to bulldoze over the other guy and dunk over him.

look at tim duncan, and kevin garnett. both just as tall as shaq, but all are 10 times better than shaq is at defense, dribbling, and shooting.

	10-06-2004 08:44									#34
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I really don't have anything to contribute to this thread.

But.... GO PISTONS!!!

	10-06-2004 08:51									#35
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quote: uh no. and when was the last time he did a hook shot?

He hit a ~10f one in game one. It was one of those half-jump half-sky hooks from straight away. Most of his shots in game one were 4-8f.

He can hit the 6-10f turn around pretty well, uses the bank ok from the angles. Outside 10f he doesn't shoot, and shouldn't be shooting because he can always get closer with his size (except on free throws).

	10-06-2004 08:53									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I wish there was a way for Malone and Payton to win a title without Shaq and Kobe getting one more...

I cannot cheer for the Lakers.

They don't deserve the title.

Especially when an adulterer/alleged rapist hits the game winning shot.

BEN WALLACE PWNZ

	11-06-2004 08:02									#37
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Deeeeeee-troit Bastket-ball!!!

	11-06-2004 19:32									#39
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You guys talk about great centers, and I have not yet hear the name Kareem.

He was a better shooter, has better footwork, and he could pass, better than Shaq.

Plus, his skyhook was unstoppable.

Also, little hint, he is the all-time leading scorer.

ACK!

	11-06-2004 19:35									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I wish there was a way for Malone and Payton to win a title without Shaq and Kobe getting one more...

Malone should have won a title with the Jazz. He is the big reason I don't want the Lakers to win.

Malone: "I can't carry a team to a title, so lets join a team that has WON FOUR IN FIVE YEARS!!!!!!"

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	11-06-2004 20:45									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson

Chamberlain averaged 50 ppg. So what does it tell you that he "only" scored 34.

	11-06-2004 21:11									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Malone should have won a title with the Jazz. He is the big reason I don't want the Lakers to win. Malone: "I can't carry a team to a title, so lets join a team that has WON FOUR IN FIVE YEARS!!!!!!" ACK!

Not just that, but he's been one of the DIRTIEST players to ever lace up a pair of jimmy's. I like Payton, but Malone is one nasty SOB.

Great series so far. Lakers got b*tch-slapped by 20 pts. last night, and it's quite possible the Pistons could take all three at home. I don't think the Lakers have seen this kind of defense all season, and they look befuddled.

edit: And Olajuwon was the best all-around big man. Any seven-foot big man that can go from playing Soccer to the NBA has got serious motor skills.

	11-06-2004 21:50									#43
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quote: but he's been one of the DIRTIEST players to ever lace up a pair of jimmy's.

quote: Malone is one nasty SOB.

Basketball needs more hard-asses. It's such a ***** sport.

	11-06-2004 22:39									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay Not just that, but he's been one of the DIRTIEST players to ever lace up a pair of jimmy's. I like Payton, but Malone is one nasty SOB.

I don't mind nasty SOB's, I just don't think he should try to buy a title. He had 2 chances and failed.

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	11-06-2004 22:45									#45
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It's looking likely that the third time isn't going to be the charm, either.

	12-06-2004 00:00									#46
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT It's looking likely that the third time isn't going to be the charm, either.

That is my hope. But Detroit does need to win 2 more games.

Everybody here in San Antonio thought it was over when the Spurs were up 0-2.

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	12-06-2004 03:35									#47
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Chamberlain averaged 50 ppg. So what does it tell you that he "only" scored 34.

He didn't average that for his career though. 30.2 pts/game was his career average, 28.7 against Russell's Celtics. Sure Russell was a great center, but he definitely didn't "own" Wilt. The Celtics owned the team game, the individual matchup was pretty even.

	12-06-2004 03:39									#48
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What was with Rasheed's hands last night though? He lost the ball at least once every time he touched it except that first lob. Didn't even look like he (or the ball) was getting hit.

The Lakers do look pretty dead in the water, but they are a schitzo team. They could still win the series. Having lived in Utah for a good portion of my life, all I can say is that Malone on the Lakers is the penultimate team to root against. (maybe if Malone were on the Yankees there'd be some competition...)

	12-06-2004 04:38									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Tis I Deeeeeee-troit Bastket-ball!!!

I went to Game Seven against the Magic last year, when the Pistons had been down 3-1 and then they administered three straight ass-whoopings to win the series. I thought the Palace was out of control that night. But I could tell that was nothing just from watching the game on TV last night.

The Lakers are in deep, deep trouble. The Pistons are 6-0 in their last six chances to wrap up a series. If Detroit gets win #3, bank on it: they will get #4.

	12-06-2004 12:23									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay edit: And Olajuwon was the best all-around big man. Any seven-foot big man that can go from playing Soccer to the NBA has got serious motor skills.

He was a goalie though, so probably a lot more hand-eye than foot-eye coordination. But i agree, the Houston-Orlando finals where Shaq got taken to school by Hakeem was funny as hell.

	12-06-2004 12:32									#51
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Nobody has mentioned Larry Brown, one of the greatest coaches of all time. I hope he finally gets himself a ring.

	13-06-2004 01:49									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson What was with Rasheed's hands last night though? He lost the ball at least once every time he touched it except that first lob. Didn't even look like he (or the ball) was getting hit. The Lakers do look pretty dead in the water, but they are a schitzo team. They could still win the series. Having lived in Utah for a good portion of my life, all I can say is that Malone on the Lakers is the penultimate team to root against. (maybe if Malone were on the Yankees there'd be some competition...)

You understand exactly why I don't want him to win, then.

I'm in the exact same situation.

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	13-06-2004 04:11									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Nobody has mentioned Larry Brown, one of the greatest coaches of all time. I hope he finally gets himself a ring.

He can't be one of the greatest coaches of all time if he doesn't have a ring....

	13-06-2004 04:46									#54
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A coach is only part of a championship team. LB never had the greatest players, but he gets the best out of what he has.

He even took the Clippers to the playoffs!

	14-06-2004 10:22									#55
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Oh hell ya.


Pistons will win Game Five. Guaran-'Sheed.

	14-06-2004 11:58									#56
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Bryant seems intent on handing it to them. Yah, the Pistons are playing great D on him, but there's no excuse for shooting 8 for 25 on a night Shaq shoots 16 for 21.

Part of the problem was Sheed helping out with a soft double before Shaq got the ball, but all the Lakers have to do to beat that is run a cut to the hoop with his man, or reverse the ball and have Shaq cross the lane. That will at least make the Pistons rethink their defense a bit.

I hate the Lakers, but hate having to watch such idiocy on the court more. Even if it's what's keeping them out of the series.

	14-06-2004 14:52									#57
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I don't want to see the Lakers win, but the rapist's ball-hogging still pisses me off. God I hate Kobe Bryant...

	14-06-2004 17:32									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Pistons will win Game Five. Guaran-'Sheed.

Pah...I doubt it. The NBA Star Chamber will weigh in, the refs will start blowing the whistle, and the Lakers will crawl back in and be the first team to come back from a 3-1 deficit. It's all fixed. You can't have a big-market team, with big-market names, go down in five games. You heard it here first.

	14-06-2004 17:36									#59
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With 4.4 million people in the MSA, Detroit is not exactly "small market."

	14-06-2004 17:45									#60
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True. The NBA Star Chamber may also feel that Kobe's legal troubles shed too much negative publicity on the league, and might allow the Pistons to take it this year, adding a strategic feel-good, underdog element that will reflect positively for the league.

Not without seven games, of course. Gotta keep the revenue flowing, after all.