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SpencerH is offline SpencerH
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I didnt watch the whole thing but it looked to me that the key to Detroits win was their unusual defense around the basket (I dont remember when I've seen so many blocked shots one after another) and their fast break (which nullified Shaq's rebounding (he had a whole bunch early in the game) since he's too slow to get back).

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I agree about running the fast break, Spencer. The Pistons know that they are faster at every position (with the only exception being a deadlock at shooting guard between Kobe and Rip), and especially faster at center and power forward. Anytime the Lakers (Kobe) take an ill-advised long-range shot, the Pistons swarm to the rebound and are off and running.

You'll probably see even more of this in the next game, because the Lakers (especially Shaq & Malone) only have one day of rest. Shaq in particular has been slower and less effective in games after only one day of rest. There should be lots of oppotunities for the Wallaces to run the floor.

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The running game certainly is a difference. But there is a definite difference between running off a made basket and a long rebound. Especially when one of the guys who should be getting back on defense is taking the shot, falling out of bounds, out at the 3-point line, with a hand in his face.

When Shaq (rested like he was last night) is shooting on the other hand, whoever's guarding him is generally planted in the photographer row and the ball goes in the hoop ~80% of the time. That defender isn't going to be running, and the LA guards are going to be back on D too.

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Almost all of Detroit's blocks were on Kobe, when he tried to overpenetrate and force a shot up against 2-3 guys. The only other one I remember was Malone trying to draw a foul as he has no chance of getting a shot off in the lane in his condition.

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You'll probably see even more of this in the next game, because the Lakers (especially Shaq & Malone) only have one day of rest. Shaq in particular has been slower and less effective in games after only one day of rest. There should be lots of oppotunities for the Wallaces to run the floor.


Agreed. Kobe will probably be even more assertive too, and take more shots. I wouldn't be suprised if he hits a decent percentage (he's due for a good game), but it's still not as efficient as going through Shaq as the first option.

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he's due for a good game


Not like he has much of a choice, ya know?

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i called pistons in five, with lakers stealing game two at home, and it looks like i will be right.

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By "due" I'm not saying he will, just that if you look at his averages you'd expect him to have a game or two in any 5 game span where he hits a good percentage of the difficult shots. He has a definite ability to "turn it on" sometimes, just he isn't terribly consistant with it.

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This is where the comparisons to MJ are really unfounded IMO (the other is FG%). Jordan (the Chicago one) virtually never had two 'bad' (for him) games in a row, and even if he did from a scoring perspective, he would come up with some other aspect of the game to have a special performance in. A triple double, great defense, something. Also Jordan was facing this kind of defense for most of his career, and used that to the Bull's advantage. Scottie Pippen never had to use his decent post game with MJ to average 20ppg, cause he got that on layups (the years MJ was out you got to see Pippen's real talents). Kerr/Hodges/Armstrong/Paxson shot high percentages on 3's cause 2-3 guys were always running at MJ. Longley/Cartwright/Wennington just had to shoot uncontested 15 foot shots.

The Lakers could be doing the same things, but not through Kobe. Shaq is their dominant post presence, and the guy who generally gets the ball where it needs to go (in the hoop, or to an open teammate). Malone did this for them a lot when he was healthy. Payton is the other one they could use in the post, but given that they haven't worked on it all season, it's too late to try now.

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Nothing would make me happier than seeing the Lakers lose.

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Well I saw my first game of the finals, it was pretty good. Motown was looking ugly in the first half though, but amazingly the score was neck and neck the whole time. The team was what, 2 for 20 for FGs for a bit there? I was shocked how badly they were shooting (not that I watch a lot of basketball). But there were so many damn fouls they stayed in it.

Kobe got pwned.

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HAW HAW KARL MALONE CRY LIKE A BABY YOU LOSER... YOU WON'T WIN A TITLE JUST LIKE CHARLES BARKLEY NYAH NYAH NYAH YOU SUCK!

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12 minutes to go.

Pistons up by twenty-three points. No doubt about it, they are simply the better team.

WUTANG!


And, as a side note, Larry Brown's wife is HOT.

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holy ****, the lakers are getting smoked!!!

To think, if kobe hadn't had made that three, this woulda been a sweep.

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Yep.

Congratulations to the Pistons.

A very likable team

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I wonder what it feels like to be the owner. Ning, Pistons. Da-yum. Good investments, them. Two (now) model franchises

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Don't forget about the Shock.


Ted, would you hit it?

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Unfortunatley I cannot hit it.

I'm just not much into the sistas.

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Malone goes away empty-handed again.

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He may be finished.

A knee injury at any age is hard to come back from. At 40 it may be impossible.

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The Lakers are done!

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Admittedly I haven't been watching the game, but Gary Payton, (at this point) 31 minutes and 2 points? I know its par for the course for him these playoffs, but WTF. how is it possible to play that long and only take 3 shots? Didn't he used to be good?

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He never fit in with the Lakers and complained about his role on the team. Throughout the last series and especially this one, he's been benched because of his attitude.

Lakers need to dump their entire team and rebuild and Kobe needs to learn how to keep it in his pants.

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Unfortunatley I cannot hit it.

I'm just not much into the sistas.




Dude, I'm talking about Shelley Brown, Larry's wife, the gorgeous 40something brunette they've been showing intermittantly all night.



DEEEEEEE-TROIT BAS-KET-BALLLLLLLL!!!

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Oh well in that case OF COURSE I would hit it.

I thought you were talking about the Shock WNBA team.

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WAY UP.

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Goddamn it, here I am stuck in friggen Columbus friggen Ohio.

Oh man, I'm so geeked about this.

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You guys deserve the championship.

Good for Larry Brown who is going to coach the Olympic team. Let us hope that some weak azz Eurocom team doesn't PWN the US this year.

Phil Jackson just said he's not returning to the team next year. Most of the rest of the team will go as well.

Lakers need a new team.

They got PIZZZAWNNNED

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Even Corliss Williamson is up in this

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Don't forget Mehmet. And Elden! Holy crap, that old man came up huge in the Finals!

And Darko!


I was actually a little disappointed that Tayshaun didn't get any play for MVP. He drove Kobe nuts, passed the ball well, and had timely baskets the first four games; tonight, he was dominant.

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I was laughing my head off when Elden had that breakaway dunk!!!

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He was solid on Shaq. Huge lift off the bench, especially when 'Sheed kept getting in foul trouble.

Hopefully this will finally shut up all the talk about how we should have taken Carmelo Anthony in the draft instead of Darko. No way, NO WAY, he plays that kind of defence on Kobe Bryant. Tayshaun Prince might not be as good a scorer, but he is a better all-around player; we didn't need Carmelo, and we won't need him in the foreseeable future.


You know, everyone talks about how Joe Dumars got Ben Wallace for Grant Hill, and how it turned out to be an incredible steal.

But what they don't mention is that we also got Chucky Atkins out of that trade. And Chucky Atkins was the only player of any significance that we gave up to bring in Rasheed Wallace.

So Joe Dumars gave up Grant Hill, who has played maybe 40 games in the past four years, for Ben Wallace AND Rasheed Wallace.

Thank you, Danny Ainge! Your championship ring is in the mail!

And thank you, Michael Jordan, for giving up Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse!


Joe Dumars was my favorite player when I was kid; I had no idea he was also an evil genius.

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You Michigan people love Joe Dumars, I know.

With good reason, he is the ultimate class act.

 
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