13-06-2004 09:41									#61
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quote: On the other hand, one could point out that the infidelities prove the successfulness of the marriage. For them to still be together after these incidents came to light could be seen as a testament to the strength of their bond. I think most people would see a couple which overcame severe problems and stayed together as being more successful than a couple that was never tested by any problems.

That's a road best left untravelled. There are weaknesses in the marriage, and infidelities will not strengthen a marriage, but rather reveal the troubles that are already there. Rather than celebrate the Clintons soldering on through infidelities, the best approach, if either has any respect for the other, is to stop the infidelities.

If they had a such a strong marriage, why did infidelity arise?

	13-06-2004 09:43									#62
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quote: Ben Kenobi was right all along -- it's obvious that the increasing public visibility of gay marriage issue is leading to more people getting a divorce.

Citing this case as an example?

Divorce has been a problem for a long time.

	13-06-2004 09:46									#63
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quote: Infidelity is wrong, but it's not abuse, and the reasons behind it are vastly different from violence, as are the effects. Equating the two is an insult to the people who have suffered real abuse in relationships.

Oh, many would disagree with you there, Boris. Infidelity hits hard. It may not be physical abuse, but it can be just as damaging to the relationship.

	13-06-2004 09:47									#64
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quote: Clearly this woman was a monster because she didn't stick by her husband when he was dealing with a terrible drug addiction.

Takes two in most divorces.

	13-06-2004 09:51									#65
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quote: People that beat their chests about the "family values" of others need to put their money where their mouth is.

And one should not condemn someone for failing to adhere to a standard higher than your own.

Though we all do it so quickly, eh?

	13-06-2004 10:10									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi And one should not condemn someone for failing to adhere to a standard higher than your own.

I personally condemn Rush not to phold the high standards he tries to shoves on people's throats.

Had it been anybody that didn't brandish "family values" and "sanctity of marriage" as arguments to deprive Gays of marriage, this thread wouldn't even have existed.

	13-06-2004 10:17									#67
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun You're confusing extreme femnists with moderate feminists. The legacy of feminism includes greater equality for women -- nothing outrageous about that. I shudder when I think where all women would be today if it were not for the feminists of past decades.

I'm not confusing anybody. The extremist feminists are the ones that the moderates look to for guidance.

quote: How do you like it when people talk about Republicans using only extremists as examples with the presumption that those extremists represent all Republicans as if they were a single, monolithic group?

This is an age old debate more suited for psych or civics 101 so I'm not going to rehash it here but sometimes it is appropriate to use generalizations to describe a group with common characteristics. That's what they are for.

And regarding Republicans specifically, I am not a Republican though most of the cool people just happen to be.

	13-06-2004 10:22									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I personally condemn Rush not to phold the high standards he tries to shoves on people's throats.

Personally I would have chosen another evil liberal to illustrate the author's point. Perhaps one that seems to actually have a loving marriage like James Carville?

	13-06-2004 10:23									#69
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quote: James Carville.

He seems to like those "submissive conservatives"

	13-06-2004 11:28									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: And Hilary's marriage isn't a measure of success. She wasn't doing her wifely duties and slobbin the ole' knob. Exactly. To shamelessly rip off Chris Rock... quote: Hilary Clinton put us all in danger! She put the security of the free world in jeopardy and she needs to suffer the consequences for her actions! She's the first lady! She supposed to be the first one on her knees to suck his dick! ****! Monica Lewinsky shouldn't even have stood a chance! Hilary's supposed to already be down there like "Hey, hey, I got it, I got it! I got it! I got the dick! Tickle his ass or something, tickle his ass! Grab a ball, make yourself useful!"

yep. Chris Rock is my inspiration

	13-06-2004 11:30									#71
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Amzing how much unwanted imagery can fit into a few short sentences... I don't much care for the Clintons anymore than I care for Rush Limbaugh. Hillary's marriage to Bill is, in my mind, nothing more than for political advantage. I've always felt it was a loveless marriage, that they put on a show when it serves their purposes. However, no matter how bad things got between them or their image they've never called it quits even as it became clear to everyone that continuing the marriage made no sense. A lot of people were expecting them to divorce after leaving the White House; hell, they might still do so, but it's been 4 years already. Rush's 1st marriage lasted all of 2 years, his second lasted 6. This last one lasted 10. Good for him. Must've been all the painkillers he was stuffing into his mouth over the past few years. People that beat their chests about the "family values" of others need to put their money where their mouth is. Rush is good at stuffing his face and spewing sh!t out. He needs to put up or shut up.

The Clinton's career's aren't over.

Hilary may run for pres in 2008 or 2012.

And Bill may be VP in 2004.

	13-06-2004 11:43									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident The Clinton's career's aren't over. Hilary may run for pres in 2008 or 2012. And Bill may be VP in 2004.

Hence my saying...

quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs ...hell, they might still do so, but it's been 4 years already.

I think they'll stay married as long as it is convenient (sorry Boris, I just don't see the love ever having been there), but after that who knows. *shrugs shoulders*

Hilary in '08 or '12 I'll believe, but WJC as Kerry's '04 vp?

	13-06-2004 11:50									#73
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yeah it's a long shot.

It looks like it will be Edwards. and I do predict them to win.

	13-06-2004 18:39									#74
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This seems as good a place as any to say it again:

If Kerry wins, there's a good chance that Hilary will become Attorney General.

And she'll have the USA-PATRIOT act at her disposal.

Sleep tight, Republicans.

	13-06-2004 20:51									#75
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He is doing his darndest to support a larger family. How many of you Rush bashers are going to be supporting 3 families (through alimony payments)?

	13-06-2004 20:57									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly If Kerry wins, there's a good chance that Hilary will become Attorney General.

I disagree with you there. Most likely, Eliot Spitzer will be our next Attorney General.

As for Limbaugh... I'm not surprised that he's been divorced by three women. Given his meanness and narcissism, who would be willing to put up with him for life? I find it interesting that wife #3 initiated divorce proceedings exactly 10 years after they got married. Makes me think that they had a pre-nup with a 10-year sunset clause (like Jack Welch's).

	13-06-2004 21:25									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I'm not confusing anybody. The extremist feminists are the ones that the moderates look to for guidance.

you're hilarious sometimes

	13-06-2004 21:27									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Yeah, but will you change your lifestyle b/c of it?

nah -- I hear that hell is a lot more comfortable than people make it out to be

	13-06-2004 21:45									#79
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	13-06-2004 23:38									#80
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun you're hilarious sometimes

Get it straight (what a pun!)

First of all I am always hilarious

Secondly I am correct 100% of the time

	14-06-2004 00:28									#81
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Ted -- I don't think you know anything about feminism.

	14-06-2004 00:40									#82
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I think I know more than you think I know

You're making alot of assumptions

	14-06-2004 00:43									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi If they had a such a strong marriage, why did infidelity arise?

Probably has something to do with the fact that instinct often overpowers senses.

	14-06-2004 00:45									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Oh, many would disagree with you there, Boris. Infidelity hits hard. It may not be physical abuse, but it can be just as damaging to the relationship.

Infidelity can damage relationships, but so can any number of things that aren't considered abuse. One day your S.O. may just realize you're an ******* and doesn't want to be with you any more. Does your being an ******* equate to your being a wife beater? I don't think so.

Slippery slopes.

	14-06-2004 00:45									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident And Bill may be VP in 2004.

Not unless they change the Constitution. He is inelligible.

	14-06-2004 00:49									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I think I know more than you think I know You're making alot of assumptions

Just like you're making assumptions about feminists.

	14-06-2004 00:59									#87
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom I applaud his serial marriages- clearly he's a believer in quantity over quality, certainly if his book is anything to go by.

to quantity AND quality

	14-06-2004 01:06									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Not unless they change the Constitution. He is inelligible.

Nope, he cannot be elected to the office of President more than two times. There is no prohibition against simply holding the office of President more than two times (though there is a special provision for a VP whose President dies before a certain amount of time in office), nor against being elected to the office of VP more than two times.

	14-06-2004 09:27									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi And one should not condemn someone for failing to adhere to a standard higher than your own. Though we all do it so quickly, eh?

Adhering and sprouting are two different issues.

	14-06-2004 10:19									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Nope, he cannot be elected to the office of President more than two times. There is no prohibition against simply holding the office of President more than two times (though there is a special provision for a VP whose President dies before a certain amount of time in office), nor against being elected to the office of VP more than two times.

Last sentence of Ammendment XXII:

"But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Clinton is constitutionally ineligible to be elected VP because he is ineligible to be elected President again.