14-06-2004 11:59									#91
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quote: Originally posted by pchang He is doing his darndest to support a larger family. How many of you Rush bashers are going to be supporting 3 families (through alimony payments)?

What, so having three failed marriages and actually paying for them is something extraordinary?

Perhaps if he'd worked harder at the marriages and less at being a mouth almighty on talk back radio, he wouldn't have three lots of alimony to spring for.

In any case, the point is moot, because Rush bashers like me aren't allowed to get married, thanks to the likes of Rush and the people that believe his bile.

	14-06-2004 15:41									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Nm, then.

	14-06-2004 15:51									#93
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quote: In any case, the point is moot, because Rush bashers like me aren't allowed to get married, thanks to the likes of Rush and the people that believe his bile.

I really doubt that Rush Limbaugh is having much of an effect on British and/or Australian marriage laws.

	14-06-2004 16:04									#94
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It's called the "Echo Chamber" effect: Right-wing shills like Rush repeat the same BS over and over to his viewers while like-minded radio personalities do the same, meanwhile other right-wingers repeat a greatly toned-down version of said BS on TV and in print. This constant repetition of right-wing BS, both in full flame and watered-down modes, builds upon itself and begins to shape the opinions of people who can't be arsed to look at the facts themselves and form their own opinions.

The "Echo Chamber" effect is hardly a new thing. It's just that the US's conservatives have been making more use of it in the past few years.

	14-06-2004 16:12									#95
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I really doubt that the "Echo Chamber effect" is strong enough to allow Rush Limbaugh to effect British and/or Australian marriage laws.

	14-06-2004 16:16									#96
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Probably not because I don't think he's on the air in either of those countries, but almost certainly in the US.

	14-06-2004 16:53									#97
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quote: I really doubt that Rush Limbaugh is having much of an effect on British and/or Australian marriage laws.

quote: In any case, the point is moot, because Rush bashers like me aren't allowed to get married, thanks to the likes of Rush and the people that believe his bile.

	14-06-2004 17:27									#98
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom What, so having three failed marriages and actually paying for them is something extraordinary? Perhaps if he'd worked harder at the marriages and less at being a mouth almighty on talk back radio, he wouldn't have three lots of alimony to spring for. In any case, the point is moot, because Rush bashers like me aren't allowed to get married, thanks to the likes of Rush and the people that believe his bile.

I guess I shouldn't have left off the smileys after all.

	14-06-2004 17:30									#99
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quote: He is doing his darndest to support a larger family. How many of you Rush bashers are going to be supporting 3 families (through alimony payments)?

No children, and I imagine 1 or both of his first 2 wives remarried which let's him off the hook for any settlement. I suspect he had a prenuptial contract this time ...

	14-06-2004 17:37									#100
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom In any case, the point is moot, because Rush bashers like me aren't allowed to get married, thanks to the likes of Rush and the people that believe his bile.

yep - so true

	15-06-2004 02:44									#101
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quote: Does your being an ******* equate to your being a wife beater? I don't think so.

Both are wrong. It does no good to try to compare the two to each other.

quote: Probably has something to do with the fact that instinct often overpowers senses

So it is with some wife-beaters... No excuse.

	15-06-2004 03:34									#102
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quote: In any case, the point is moot, because Rush bashers like me aren't allowed to get married, thanks to the likes of Rush and the people that believe his bile.

That's funny, I didn't know there was a law against marriage of Rush-bashers. I guess Carville's marriage must be illegal, too.

Marriage laws are historical, not something modern conservatives made up. Even ardent buggerers in ancient Greece had only heterosexual marriages. They sometimes adopted their pederastic lovers as sons for inheritance purposes.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: In any case, the point is moot, because Rush bashers like me aren't allowed to get married, thanks to the likes of Rush and the people that believe his bile. I really doubt that Rush Limbaugh is having much of an effect on British and/or Australian marriage laws.

I also doubt that Rush bashers like me are confined only to Australia or Great Britain, since the point in question is not my nationality, nor my place of current residence, but my sexuality- which would therefore include both Boris G and MrFun who are affected by activities of the likes of Rush and his audience and both resident in the United States.

Trying to score a point whilst missing it- congratulations.

	15-06-2004 08:07									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Divorce has been a problem for a long time.

Divorce is not a problem. Divorce is a solution. Bad marriages are the problem.

	15-06-2004 11:04									#105
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quote: the point in question is not my nationality, nor my place of current residence, but my sexuality- which would therefore include both Boris G and MrFun who are affected by activities of the likes of Rush and his audience and both resident in the United States.

So, being a broadcaster and political commentator is the cause of conflicts about attempts by a fringe minority to change the fundamental social structure known as marriage? Ok, I think I understand your pov.

	16-06-2004 04:22									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Marriage laws are historical, not something modern conservatives made up. Even ardent buggerers in ancient Greece had only heterosexual marriages. They sometimes adopted their pederastic lovers as sons for inheritance purposes.

Yes, marriage laws (in all their varieties) are historical - and so are the institutions of slavery, marriage by capture, the subjugation of women to men in marriage, polyandry, polygamy and female and male infanticide.

Marriage 'laws' are also mutable- no longer are women and children the chattels or property of the married man, no longer do widows have to marry their dead husband's brother and provide a child by him, and it is no longer expected that a widow will immolate herself on her husband's funeral pyre. Women even get to keep their own property in marriage now- perhaps this is behind the divorce rate.

I'm curious as to why you should bring Ancient Greece into the argument, since the modern binary distinction between heterosexual and homosexual did not exist for the Greeks of Classical antiquity.

Are you arguing that because of its roots as a practice in historical antiquity, that married heterosexual men should now seek out fourteen year old boys to engage in a master-tutor relationship, exchanging gifts and partaking of interfemoral and intercrural sex?

I'd like to know your stand on the practice of exposing male infants (as done in Sparta) who were disabled or in some way unlikely to be able to father offspring- seen as a necessity in Spartan society and marriage.

Also, in Spartan marriages it was permissible for married men to take other women if their wives proved infertile, for the purposes of begetting more male children.

Similarly Spartan women (who enjoyed rather more rights than the women in other Greek states) could take male lovers to provide them with offspring should their husbands prove impotent or infertile.

Does this meet with your support as a practice to be encouraged within modern day marriages between consenting heterosexuals who are not in marriages arranged by their parents, nor first cousins, nor siblings (practices seen as routine or 'normal' in other societies and times)?

Also, do you take the stance that marriage between heterosexual people of different perceived 'races' should be legal or illegal?

At varying times within American society it has been legal, then illegal, then legal again. As it was also considered, at varying times, to be immoral and a threat to the stability of that society, I wonder if you have any statistics relating to the breakdown of law and order when interracial marriage was seen as wicked and immoral?

Do you think that the marriage of nuns to Christ or Venice to the sea should be allowed?

I don't really see the point of non-procreating women being allowed to marry a god, or a city being allowed to marry a sea or stretch of water- after all these could set dangerous precedents.

What if the marriages break down?

Will the Adriatic sue Venice, and what would be the likely alimony payments?

Would nuns be eligible for half the communal property?

	16-06-2004 05:07									#107
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quote: Trying to score a point whilst missing it- congratulations.

Thank you.

	16-06-2004 08:32									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Both are wrong. It does no good to try to compare the two to each other.

Right, because there aren't varying degrees of wrongness. Next time you jaywalk, we'll be sure to note the comparison between yourself and Hitler.

quote: So it is with some wife-beaters... No excuse.

Or primate cousins are prone to sexual "infidelity," but there's no evidence of widespread abuse on remotely the same level. You still have failed to make any connection between the two except to say both are wrong. So what? Telling a fib and murdering someone are both wrong, but only the demented would find them morally equivalent.