17-06-2004 17:32									#61
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Amazing... I should post whilst multi-tasking more often!

BTW Hi Adrian - how're ya? Did you ever get any further with your excellent Demo Game article? You were hoping to pubish last I remember.

	17-06-2004 18:38									#62
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Not doing bad, I'm actually working at a company in London designing Internet/reality games (at the same time as doing my PhD, hah!). I never did manage to publish that article in a magazine, partly due to the fact that I didn't have enough time to shop it around - there were some magazines that were interested, like PC Format, but I think it was a bit too long for them.

The article will probably end up going online on the web somewhere, either at Kuro5hin or here at Apolyton - wherever it'd get the most publicity.

	17-06-2004 20:14									#63
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt ***Major SNIP**** Given the chance (since GWT seems to have a surfeit of GLs coming to them - Heroic Epic perhaps?) that the Ruhrpott strike will be nasty, but not deliver such the knock-out blow we need.

Maybe we can get Trip to figure out where is might be at. If it's available, it might be a worthy target to take out, even though it too can be rebuilt.

quote: Parthemunde. Greatest in the cities of the world. Glittering jewel in GWT's Sceptre. Site of the Pyramids and Colossus, which (if they are using correctly) have advantaged GWT hugely for centuries, and will continue to do so for centuries more. They have 8 Medieval techs and 7 Industrial to go before Flight cancels that, and it's hardly likely they would go for that route.

The main thing that I have tried to impress on people for quite some time, that it gives them just too much overall advantatage, especially in combination with Leo's. If anything, with this gone, even if they quickyly rebuild the FP, the trade balance difference will be enough for us to get our GW's built, before they get to the Technologies (even at the reduced costs).

quote: ***Major SNIP**** That, my friends, is what we here in the colonies call a sh*tload (Assuming of course, I haven't arsed up in too many places here.)

AMEN!!!

quote: I would risk a lot to take this city, which would be an enormous blow - psychological and real. GWT would NEVER recover from this. FPs can be rebuilt in an instant, but with the sheer trade scope of the Colossus, added to the food from the Pyramids, and the possibility of one day a Culture victory for GWT because of this damned city of Glories, I want Parthe out. Out, damned spot! 9 Knights to Parthe. This is the least we can do. Cap the bastard.

Thank you MrWIA, for putting into the properverbage, of what I have been trying to impress on everyone for a long time.

* E_T thinks a well timed WIA post can be greater than 100 of my various postings, at various times.

If anything, it's a fantastic summation to all that has been discussed before and the current likely path of the game, if things continue without a successful Parth Strike. All of these things, and more, I was too fully aware of, when Trip had first proposed the Rhurpott strike and I had started Planning, because I know that THIS would also be our ONLY opportunity of Taking that Monster City down......Out, damned spot! INDEED!!!

MoI E_T

	17-06-2004 20:27									#64
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The poll shows we are going for Parthemunde anyway, may Hannibal be upon us

	18-06-2004 06:56									#65
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Good luck, you'll need it with the gap between the landings.

	18-06-2004 07:40									#66
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Great men aren't made by standing behind the wall of fear and uncertainty.

Great men are made by taking risks.

Tell me a great man in history, and I will tell you a man that saw his chance and took it.

Parthemunde is a great risk. Great risks involve great rewards. Does Apolyton want to cower in the corner, afraid of GWT, or does Apolyton want to take control?

The FP strike is a strong blow against GWT. The Parthemunde strike is a strong blow against GWT. Both of them together is a crippling reduction in GWT's capacity.

We must end the threat while we still can.

	18-06-2004 08:29									#67
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Great men aren't made by standing behind the wall of fear and uncertainty. Great men are made by taking risks. Tell me a great man in history, and I will tell you a man that saw his chance and took it.

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	18-06-2004 08:57									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Good luck, you'll need it with the gap between the landings.

Ditto...

We are throwing units away

	18-06-2004 21:07									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Ditto... We are throwing units away

The units are expendable anyway. Noone really expects them to return home safely do they?

And if we take Ruhr with more than a couple of Knights left, how much more damage could we do there? The big ticket target is gone. Who cares if a few corrupt cities are left or gone? Cashing those 9 Knights in for Parthe is a gamble, but so is the whole thing. And that would be a far greater thing for them to do than to mill around an already killed core.

	18-06-2004 21:35									#70
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quote: And if we take Ruhr with more than a couple of Knights left, how much more damage could we do there? The big ticket target is gone. Who cares if a few corrupt cities are left or gone? Cashing those 9 Knights in for Parthe is a gamble, but so is the whole thing. And that would be a far greater thing for them to do than to mill around an already killed core.

The plan for Ruhr if we somehow win with 21 Elite Knights left is to rampage through the rest of the region, though, right?

	19-06-2004 00:49									#71
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt The units are expendable anyway. Noone really expects them to return home safely do they?

Expect? No. But I would like it, and they can be cheaply upgraded to kickass Cavalry, so we should try to evacuate them if possible. Don't throw any away. (Which is what I think is likely to happen with The Nine, but oh well... lost battle.)

quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt And if we take Ruhr with more than a couple of Knights left, how much more damage could we do there? The big ticket target is gone. Who cares if a few corrupt cities are left or gone? Cashing those 9 Knights in for Parthe is a gamble, but so is the whole thing. And that would be a far greater thing for them to do than to mill around an already killed core.

It is true the old FP core won't be of much value. Considering the time it'll take them to rebuild the FP (sans leader) the main benefit would probably be from razing their cities' improvements rather than from "depriving" them of population.

quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell The plan for Ruhr if we somehow win with 21 Elite Knights left is to rampage through the rest of the region, though, right?

Depends. I don't think we have a set plan for this.

If we could catch their returning Ansar with their pants down and be on the attack, I think we could do quite well against their 2 defense. But I find it unlikely we'll be in that position; we have 2 moves to their 3, and we'll be moving inside enemy borders with the exception of any land we can take along with conquered cities. I think the best bet may be to calculate when the Ansar will be in striking distance if they go straight home from Micco, and plan to get out before they can attack. Which is probably only a turn or two after the FP falls...

	19-06-2004 07:34									#72
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With Leo's GWT's units are far more expendable than our own. That means every unit we lose hurts us proportionally more than GWT losing a unit. And GWT has a much larger army.

Throwing units away != a good idea.

	19-06-2004 07:35									#73
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Great men aren't made by standing behind the wall of fear and uncertainty. Great men are made by taking risks. Tell me a great man in history, and I will tell you a man that saw his chance and took it. Parthemunde is a great risk. Great risks involve great rewards. Does Apolyton want to cower in the corner, afraid of GWT, or does Apolyton want to take control? The FP strike is a strong blow against GWT. The Parthemunde strike is a strong blow against GWT. Both of them together is a crippling reduction in GWT's capacity. We must end the threat while we still can.

I wonder how many people took a great risk and failed and never were heard from again. I bet it's a number a lot bigger than those who succeeded and then went on to be famous for all time.

	19-06-2004 07:42									#74
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quote: I wonder how many people took a great risk and failed and never were heard from again. I bet it's a number a lot bigger than those who succeeded and then went on to be famous for all time.

None of the men who didn't take a risk were heard from again.

	19-06-2004 08:57									#75
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I don't think that's a good analogy with our current situation.

	19-06-2004 11:55									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I don't think that's a good analogy with our current situation.

Actualy, I think it's quite perfect.

	19-06-2004 20:51									#77
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Great men aren't made by standing behind the wall of fear and uncertainty. Great men are made by taking risks. Tell me a great man in history, and I will tell you a man that saw his chance and took it.

Look at Alexander the Great and make a sidenote that he had superior troops a larger army and a fleet

Look at Caesar when he was a general: he had superior troops, better armor, better strategy.

Look at Charlemagne and acknowlegde that again his army was much bigger.

Look at Henry III, he won by luck because of a bad military leadership of the French at Azincourt.

Look at Charles V, his army was superior to every army in the world save the Ottoman one.

Look at Napoleon, his army was larger and better trained, and he had a new tactic.

Look at Bismarck, he hit when France was at its weakest since Napoleon strengthened it.

Look at Marshal Montgomery and General Eisenhower. The so-called big risk of D-day was made as small as possible by atacking poorly defended beaches. The major Amarican losses wer only because of bad luck with bombings.

Look at the Vietnam War, America lost due to superior guerilla tactics of North-Vietnam's General Giap.

Look at the last war in Iraq. What risk was there? None.


These Men have but one thing in common: they didn't overestimate themselves.

Those who did, Darius, Xerxes, Philip II, Napoleon III, Czar Nicolas II, Hitler, Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon did, like many others they were all defeated.

Aidun

	19-06-2004 22:10									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Aidun Look at Marshal Montgomery and General Eisenhower. The so-called big risk of D-day was made as small as possible by atacking poorly defended beaches. The major Amarican losses wer only because of bad luck with bombings.

Moreso by an entire German infantry division which arrived on Omaha that same week

	20-06-2004 06:11									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Moreso by an entire German infantry division which arrived on Omaha that same week

You know much more of itthan I do. But each of the beaches was, as far as I know, as poorly defended as the others. The German divisions were spread over the coast. Poorly defended of course in comparison to the cities, such as Cherbourg, Le Havre and Calais.

Anyway we ccould have a good talk about that elsewere, and you could teach me a lot about it. I know I'm within the range of my opponents guns

Aidun

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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Actualy, I think it's quite perfect.

So you think a 'random' individual rising to fame through improbable circumstances is a proper comparision with our current situation, which involves 2 major powers of roughly equal strength facing off?

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quote: Originally posted by Trip So you think a 'random' individual rising to fame through improbable circumstances is a proper comparision with our current situation, which involves 2 major powers of roughly equal strength facing off?

"Roughly equal strength" is a gross overstatement of our current capabilities.

	20-06-2004 06:51									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen "Roughly equal strength" is a gross overstatement of our current capabilities.

GWT has a massive population advantage, but is also suffering a huge amount of war weariness by now. Our population is now growing and our industry and economy are increasing at a fierce pace. Our technological edge is quite supreme. And our future potential along with our yet untapped GA puts us at least on equal footing.

	20-06-2004 07:18									#83
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Why bother for equal when we can go for the gold?

	20-06-2004 08:56									#84
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The point is that we're already equal.

	20-06-2004 09:09									#85
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quote: The point is that we're already equal.

You don't think GWT's war weariness won't end?

besides, you admitted it yourself, we need our future, not happened yet, GA.

	20-06-2004 09:16									#86
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell You don't think GWT's war weariness won't end? besides, you admitted it yourself, we need our future, not happened yet, GA.

We're not already equal as the demographics show. But we will gain a lead on them, especially if we can take out their FP and they don't have a leader.

I wouldn't worry about the GA. We already have an Industrious wonder and we're about to get another, and with the tech lead we have, there's no way GWT can gobble up all the commercial wonders even if they wanted to. So better if it comes a little later when we've built up more infrastructure and, most importantly, population.

	21-06-2004 04:01									#87
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell You don't think GWT's war weariness won't end? besides, you admitted it yourself, we need our future, not happened yet, GA.

Of course their WW will end. And they're losing hundreds of GPT as we speak.

And so what about the GA? The point is that we're waiting to trigger it so that we can get more out of it. We could have triggered it long ago but we decided not to. Because of that we're going to get a massive lead on GWT soon.