29-06-2004 02:07									#31
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On an off-topic note, I just voted NDP in Ontario. Meh.

	29-06-2004 04:06									#32
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I agree with your analysis of the next election time. What's scary is that another tenant in my building was mulled into voting Conservative, and he's on welfare, mentally ill, physically handicapped, illiterate, and gay. I am seriously worried about that kind of persuasion by the Tories out here. As long as Harper isn't a solid PM, I'll be more or less satisfied. Even a minority gov't by Duceppe (and yes, it's statistically possible, if unlikely) would be better.

BTW, I kind of thought Medieval African flags would be difficult to find. I'll just do that scenario with the default monochromes, I guess.

	29-06-2004 04:42									#33
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Any guesses on Techumseh's vote? He lives out West and his signature is "No blood for oil!"

	29-06-2004 10:23									#34
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Okay, here is what I could find.

1) Beehive flag referenced in the Harry Turtledove series American Front, where Mormons rebelled against America in WW1.

2) Official flag of Deseret Territory when Deseret originally petitioned to enter the Union in 1851, was officially adopted in 1896.

3) The first president of the Republic of Texas designed this flag himself in 1836, and served as the flag of the Texas Republic until 1839.

4) The second flag of the Republic of Texas, this served as their national flag until Texas joined the Union, when it became the state flag which it remains to this day.

5) The Hawaiian flag designed by Captain Hunt of H.B.M.S. (Her British Majesty's Ship) Baselisk to reflect the close relationship between Hawaii and Britain. This flag was aproved by Hawaii's King Kameihameihas III.

6) The flag of Maximillian's short lived Empire, which is basically the same as Mexico's traditional flag as best as I could tell aside from some minor modifications on the national seal.

7) This is the flag of the Imperial Japanese flag since the late nineteenth century.

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	29-06-2004 10:53									#35
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Here are the last two flags you asked for. As best as I can tell this would be the Ethiopian flag used during the rule of Haille Selassie. The second is one of many Metis flags that are described in the pages of Canadian history. This one in particular was raised Batoche, a small village in present-day northern Saskatchewan at the dawn of the Northwest Rebellion in 1885. It shows a full colour print of the Virgin Mary on a white banner.

On an off topic note... Way to go Liberals and New Democrats!!. Looks like the Grits can work with the NDP and form a pretty stable coalition government.

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	29-06-2004 12:46									#36
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I thank you for the flags; they'll be close to perfect for what I have in mind. As for the election, it's the best a New Democrat can hope for at this point in Canadian history. I'm just glad the coalition wasn't the feared Conservative/Bloc combo.

	29-06-2004 12:58									#37
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One last thing, of which the election reminded me (I don't know how I could have forgotten), but an easy one: the Canadian flag at Confederation (the blue one with the Union Jack in the corner), before Pearson adopted the modern one. This should honestly be the last one for the time being.

	29-06-2004 22:09									#38
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The Red Ensign was actually red with a union jack in the corner.

	29-06-2004 22:26									#39
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Well, I was really worried there during the night, especially since one polling company, I think it was Ipsos Reid said just after the returns from Newfoundland came in that they were projecting a Conservative Minority. But we left wingers prevailed once again!!

Anyways, back on topic, here are those Canadian standards you wanted. In addition to the Union Jack on the blue ensign, I threw in the Union Jack on the red ensign just because I always liked the red flag better. And in the interest of mending ties between Ontario and Quebec I threw in the familiar flag of the province of Quebec.

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	29-06-2004 22:29									#40
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Now you mentioned that since there were no medival african flags to be found you'd go with the default. I can't let you do that as the default civ II flags are nine years old now and just plain ugly.

Here are some modifications of the old flags that I hope will prove usefull. On an off topic note again, all this talk of Canadian history and politics has really peaked my interest in a scenario about Canada in some way. Whether its about the Northwest Rebellion or a hypothetical western seperation war, I think its time the world had a Canadian conflict scenario.

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	30-06-2004 03:07									#41
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Actually, if your going to use the ripped flags use these ones, the outer edges look better. Also, I should have included these unit shields with the flags but I forgot to.

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	30-06-2004 04:14									#42
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Thanks again, as always. If you can find (or make, or get someone to make) a good map of Canada, I'll put a Canadian-based scenario on my books as a priority. I too was worried the Tories might win, with the numbers jumping back and forth on Global last night.

	30-06-2004 04:14									#43
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BTW, notice Harper ended his speech "God Bless Canada." Scary!

	30-06-2004 04:51									#44
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I had no idea Harper said that, that is scary .

My good friend Steph (Jim Panse) already has made a great map of North America, which includes everything from the lower regions of the North West Territories to southern Mexico.

Though this may be too much for a "Metis" scenario, it might be fitting for a scenario where either Quebec or the West tries to seperate by show of force. Honestly, if there were such a conflict in Canada I doubt the US would want to stay neutral.

	30-06-2004 05:12									#45
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I agree about U.S. involvement. Please give me a link to this map. I guess I asked for a lot of flags, but the 14th Century Moghul flag and 17th Century Korean flag got lost in the shuffle (no pressure intended). They should be a lot easier to find than Medieval African flags, however, but they are key to a series of Asian scenarios I've made ("History of Asia A and B," on the Spanish Civilization Site, currently without custom flags, but I hope to get them updated). If you do have the time, please I'd greatly appreciate those two. Thanks a lot!!!

	30-06-2004 08:59									#46
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While I'm here, does anyone know the name of the Persian ruler when Ghengis Khan was sacking his empire?

	30-06-2004 09:15									#47
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Sadly I tried to find your Korean and Moghul flag and once again had no luck. If you or anyone else could just find a reference I'd be glad to make one up, but aside from the Flagspot website I really don't know where else to look.

	30-06-2004 15:21									#48
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@Patine:
'Persian' ruler could be Mohamed Aladdin (Khwarezmian), or Mohammed II (if you prefer Ismailites"Hashishin").
however you can find him (or any others) here:

http://www.hostkingdom.net/iran.html
http://www.hostkingdom.net/centasia.html#Khwarazm
http://www.hostkingdom.net/iran.html#Ismailis

Hope could be useful.

	30-06-2004 18:40									#49
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@Sarsstock, I appreciate you trying to find those flags (I didn't realize they were so hard to come by), and I'll try to find someone who might know what they look like (If I can find them in the library, I'll color copy them for you). Thanks a lot! Now, could you please direct me to that North America map?

@Gagliado, I thought his name had a Mohammed in it, I just didn't know the full bit. Thanks!

	30-06-2004 21:02									#50
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@Sarsstock, it occured to me rereading my last post that that last sentence may come across as rude (it usually is when spoken). I certainly didn't mean it that way, just a mistranscription. What I meant is just that please send me a link to that map, if you could. Thanks and my apologies on any misread intentions.

	01-07-2004 01:37									#51
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Don't worry, I took no offence. I can usually tell when people mean to offend and that wasn't the case here. Unfortunatly it turns out I don't have the map that Steph made, or at least not the completed version.

I'll try to get him to send me over the finished version. By the way, if you out tommorow let me just say

HAPPY CANADA DAY!!!!

	01-07-2004 02:08									#52
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Happy Canada Day to you too! By the way, before this thread likely closes (unless you or someone else has more to offer), are you a health care worker, if you don't mind me asking? I just hazarded a guess your net name is somehow tied to SARS Stock, and you do live in Ontairio. Do I have something, or am I completely out in left field?

	01-07-2004 03:08									#53
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I hail from Steel City Ontario (Hamilton for you non Canadians). No I'm not in the health care profession, although many in my family are. I simply chose Sarsstock cause it was a concert that was on TV at the time when I needed to enter my userID when I joined the forum.

It was also 2 in the morning and i was a little tapped for ideas.

	01-07-2004 04:08									#54
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Fair enough. My net name is actually the French infinitive "to shine" (if you're fluent in the language, you likely already knew that). I'm pleased to have met you, and I hope I'll see you on other threads. If you get that map, please e-mail it to chandallah@netscape.net, and title the e-mail "North America Map" so I know its not junk mail (I get a lot of lot). See you around the forum.

	01-07-2004 20:49									#55
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Well, I think we can keep this thread alive for a bit as long as people need obscure flags. Being Canada Day, I thought this flag was only apropriate.

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	02-07-2004 01:06									#56
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Speaking of obscure flags, I had forgotten about my "Fall of Rome" scenario. Do you perchance have the banners of the East and West Roman Empires (as of their division in 375) and Theodoric the Goth and Attila the Hun. Thanks as always and again, Happy Canada Day!

	04-07-2004 18:45									#57
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Sarsstock (or Kobra, if you're reading this too; I haven't forgotten your fine work in the past), could you do me a unique flag set, please. It's kind of different, and previously I was using one flag, but that doesn't seem appropriate any more for what I have in mind. I need four flags for civs that each represent two nations; each should ideally have the left half of one flag and the right half of the other, with no distinguished border between the two. The four I need combine Britain-Spain, Britain-U.S., Britain-France, and North Korea-Vietnam. If one of you (or someone) could do this for me, I'd be most grateful.

	05-07-2004 05:04									#58
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I'm on the case!! I shall post those and the Hun flag later tonight. Sadly the Hun flag was the only one I could find for you, no Goth's or East or West Roman Empire.

Also, I might post a screenshot of a hypothetical scenario about a war where "Grand Alberta" (Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and BC) attempt to seperate from Confederation and an invasion is launched from Ontario.

	05-07-2004 05:28									#59
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Here are those mixed flags:

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	05-07-2004 07:07									#60
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Thanks a lot, as always! Those will do perfectly. Now there's just a few more that I previously used one nation's flag for and was dissatisfied. First, do you have Vasco da Gamma's expedition standard (I was using a Portuguese flag, though the civ represented European colonialism in general in Africa and Asia)? Second, is there a flag that best sums up, in your opinion, European colonialism as a whole in the 17th-19th Centuries (I was using the Union Jack for a 'Europeans' player in both a South American and East Asian scenario which mostly focused on the independent states in the region)? If no flag to symbolize this institution, even poetically, exists, I guess I'll just use the Union Jack for all represented Europeans. If you could please look into this, I'd be most grateful.