25-06-2004 09:52									#1
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I'm getting tired of wading through all the lame forum based games that have multiplied in the 'other games' section.

Could a new section be provided please? Or better yet, could they be removed? Such activities really deserve a forum of their own.

Anyway, I thought club threads were not allowed.

	25-06-2004 10:48									#2
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Those are not club threads, anybody can join. Like demogames.

	25-06-2004 10:50									#3
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I think splitting other games and forum games into their own forums is a good idea.

	25-06-2004 14:48									#4
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Adding a 'forum games' section
Removing forum games

	25-06-2004 16:51									#5
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Bkeela

The other games forum was pretty dead before the "forum" games started to get going. And while you may consider them "lame"... at least people participate and have fun. One might argue that the whole forum was "lame" BEFORE they started since there was so little activity.

I don't see any reason why another forum should be created just so it can lay there with just a few active threads...

The forum games have been a big plus for that forum... why fix what isn't broken.

	25-06-2004 19:07									#6
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the case has been made that the forum games have brought more visibility to other games. Maybe.

Wonder if any of our bored listmakers could go see whats happened to the number of non-forum games threads and posts since forum games became prevalent.


Also, even if forum games are good, and keeping them in OG is better than seperating, them, there can bee too much of a good thing. Diminishing returns, you know? One forum game good. The second ok. The seventh??? and threads that arent Forum games, but are ABOUT interpersonal issues on the forum games (see the thread "please read and respond" in OG)??

Some restraint would be appreciated.

	25-06-2004 19:51									#7
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I frequented the Other Games section before the dawn of the forum games and most threads didn't even get read, or if they did they were only read sparodically. Replies were few and far between. Now the forum actually has traffic, and threads get great visbility.

With the *few* forum game threads only taking up a limited number of lines on the front page, the threads about games enjoy a large amount of time actually on the first page of OG and rarely if ever get bumped off before they reach the magic "2 days since last reply" mark.

As at this post, there are a total of 4 threads that have been forced to the 2nd page that have been active within the last 2 days. Even then, two of them are forum games, meaning only 2 threads about other games don't recieve first-page visibility.

On the first page are a total of 10 threads related to forum games. If you can't manage to "wade" through that many threads that do not interest you to get to the 15 on the frontpage that do, heaven help you if you visit the OT.

	25-06-2004 20:21									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns I frequented the Other Games section before the dawn of the forum games and most threads didn't even get read, or if they did they were only read sparodically. Replies were few and far between. Now the forum actually has traffic, and threads get great visbility. With the *few* forum game threads only taking up a limited number of lines on the front page, the threads about games enjoy a large amount of time actually on the first page of OG and rarely if ever get bumped off before they reach the magic "2 days since last reply" mark. As at this post, there are a total of 4 threads that have been forced to the 2nd page that have been active within the last 2 days. Even then, two of them are forum games, meaning only 2 threads about other games don't recieve first-page visibility. On the first page are a total of 10 threads related to forum games. If you can't manage to "wade" through that many threads that do not interest you to get to the 15 on the frontpage that do, heaven help you if you visit the OT.

well my biggest complaint so far is the one thread that WASNT labeled as an obvious forum game, and which I had to open first. Granted that took less time than commenting on it - i wont mind as long as it doesnt become a TREND.

Ditto, theres "only" seven active forum games now I think. But the number has been increasing steadily. How many is too many? 8? 10?

and of the disappointment when you see a thread titled something like "galactic overlords" and you think another space 4X Tbs, only to find another forum game

	25-06-2004 20:43									#9
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quote: and of the disappointment when you see a thread titled something like "galactic overlords" and you think another space 4X Tbs, only to find another forum game

Honestly, I made the same mistake as you

but at least it was an interesting read!

	25-06-2004 21:15									#10
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Rah, the other games forum moderator, keeps a close eye on new forum games. If it starts getting out of hand, I'm sure the "reasonable one" will act in the best interest of the forum.

Again...

Before forum games = dead/boring
After forum games = active/entertaining

You make the call

	25-06-2004 22:01									#11
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Rah, the other games forum moderator, keeps a close eye on new forum games. If it starts getting out of hand, I'm sure the "reasonable one" will act in the best interest of the forum.

Again...

Before forum games = dead/boring
After forum games = active/entertaining

You make the call

	25-06-2004 22:15									#12
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Wow, a 46-minute DP, that must be a record

I don't think there can be "too many forum games". There have been quite a number of experimental games that have failed due to feasibility issues, insufficient player interest et cetera. The ones that survive are the ones people enjoy participating in. It's a pretty natural system.

	25-06-2004 22:15									#13
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In fact us making the call was so important, Ming had to say it twice .

Seriously, I frequented the Other Games forum before the forum games and I have to concur with those that said it was dead. There were like 1 or 2 threads which had decent activity (by that I mean like 2 posts a day), but it was mostly dead.

	25-06-2004 22:48									#14
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I wouldn't say it was 'dead' before the forum-games started, but sure there's been a lot more activity lately because of it... I also visited other games before the forum-games time...

	25-06-2004 23:18									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Wow, a 46-minute DP, that must be a record

I'm impressed as well... especially since I had been at lunch away from my office for at least 20 minutes prior to the second posting.

	26-06-2004 02:58									#16
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This is just a brief opinion from someone who never spends anytime at 'Other Games' forum: This thread got me curious, so I've been looking at the forum game threads on and off throughout the day. I think its all pretty interesting stuff.
I'll probably go back there off and on, so score one for the forum games.

	26-06-2004 03:15									#17
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nevermind. sorry. please delete this post.

Last edited by DarkCloud on 26-06-2004 at 06:38

	26-06-2004 04:39									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Wow, a 46-minute DP, that must be a record

I once saw a triple-post at CFC, each seperated by several hours.

	26-06-2004 04:49									#19
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As a long time OG poster I think the extent of inactivity in OG pre forum games is being overstated here. Having said that, activity on the non-forum game threads has certainly increased. I wouldn't like to see it go back to the way it was.

What is more, I confess I'm having trouble understanding the logic of the various gripes. So you might open a thread by accident once in a while you then find out you don't want to see.............that happens everywhere. Open a different one.

	26-06-2004 04:51									#20
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike So you might open a thread by accident once in a while you then find out you don't want to see.............that happens everywhere. Open a different one.

	26-06-2004 05:33									#21
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and posts should not count towards the poster's post count when posting in forum games.

	26-06-2004 06:35									#22
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they do for demogaming, why not for forumgaming? A number of the forum games are Civ-related even.

Yes, there has been a rapid increase in the number of forum games recently. It seems to have been triggered by two things:

1. Mafia becoming so popular that signups filled too quickly, necessitating the creation of Assassins.
2. The "space 4x game with a twist" thread (Which started out about actual computer games) and led to me suggesting testing the concept in a forum game, Jamski starting Galactic Overlord and introducing the strategy forum game.

For those of us who can't commit to PBEM or demogaming, Forum Games are a lite version we can enjoy. The threads are easy to spot too, they'll usually have a Roman numeral in the title.

	26-06-2004 07:02									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley they do for demogaming, why not for forumgaming? A number of the forum games are Civ-related even.

This is a good point. Demogames should also not count towards postcounts.

	26-06-2004 08:06									#24
	Put an end to popups!

That would kill Demogames

j/k?

	26-06-2004 08:43									#25
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I like the forum games.

Are you saying that we only play them (forum/demo games) to increase out post count?

	26-06-2004 08:54									#26
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If you desire you could request that Other Games merge with Classic and Paradox games, since those 2 forums are pretty slow.

But I enjoy the games in the Other Games section. I used to be mainly an OTFer. Now I mainly frequent the OG section. I don't play Multiplayer games online very often and these make a fun and less committed substitute.

	26-06-2004 09:28									#27
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark well my biggest complaint so far is the one thread that WASNT labeled as an obvious forum game, and which I had to open first. Granted that took less time than commenting on it - i wont mind as long as it doesnt become a TREND.

How often do you think two people will join within a week of each other, get accused of being DLs and then feel that one of them need to leave? Trend indeed.

	26-06-2004 14:53									#28
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Well people are more and more likely to start threads with misleading names. I spent 5 seconds in the last week opening threads I didn't want to see, and it's increasing by 1s/week! By 2025 I'll be wasting almost 20 minutes opening threads by forum gamers with bad titles!!

	26-06-2004 15:06									#29
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I once had a DP at CFC with like eight hours in between ...

	26-06-2004 16:47									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora That would kill Demogames j/k?

not at all

a good game is worth playing, and there are some great demo games