26-06-2004 04:29									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo If humanity goes extinct all other life on earth will likewise go extinct in a few hundred million years anyway due to the mortality of our sun.

More like five billion.

	26-06-2004 04:54									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Sava wait a minute... that would be contrary to what Ahnold wants. He wants to cut programs like this... not start new ones. Killing more animals is probably just a bonus for him. He really gets a boner from cutting programs that solve problems. That's conservatism 101... "dismantle helpful social programs"... "ignore more prudent ways to solve fiscal problems" (like perhaps keeping a tax on the most expensive vehicles that he cut).

are you dumb?

do you realize what all these programs have costed california. They are $38 billion in debt!

Who the **** is going to pay for all these pansy social programs?

	26-06-2004 04:58									#63
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Makes more sense than another aircraft carrier or nuclear bomb.

California doesn't build aircraft carriers or bombs

	26-06-2004 05:01									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Who the **** is going to pay for all these pansy social programs?

If politicans finally wise up and start raising taxes on the super-rich by perhaps 3%, that's who.

	26-06-2004 05:04									#65
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I don't see the problem with this.

Perhaps if dog and cat owners were more responsible to spay or neuter their pets, there would be fewer strays.

Back home, we still have a stray cat that ended up in our garage. Best mouser you ever saw.

	26-06-2004 05:06									#66
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I heard that in reality cats aren't that great at catching mice.

	26-06-2004 05:23									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus If politicans finally wise up and start raising taxes on the super-rich by perhaps 3%, that's who.

Because of course it's their responsibility to provide food and shelter for... cats and dogs?

	26-06-2004 05:57									#68
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Apparently der Govenator just announced it was a mistake for him to suggest this idea and has (wisely) decided to drop the subject.

	26-06-2004 06:01									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus If politicans finally wise up and start raising taxes on the super-rich by perhaps 3%, that's who.

How easier it is to get others to pay for the programs you want.

	26-06-2004 06:39									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Because of course it's their responsibility to provide food and shelter for... cats and dogs?

They've got money to spare, we can do what we like with it.

	26-06-2004 07:08									#71
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd They've got money to spare, we can do what we like with it.

Wow. That is the most concise mission statement of the left I've ever seen.

	26-06-2004 07:23									#72
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I bet those silly Californians are kicking themselves for not electing the porn star or the Native American chieftain instead.

	26-06-2004 07:24									#73
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Arnold rules!

great governor

	26-06-2004 08:37									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Verto But, don't we have terrible overpopulation on this planet? One would think you'd all be happy steps were being taken to reduce the consumption of earth's resources.

Lets start from major problems. Reclassify SUVs as cars, not light trucks.

	26-06-2004 08:43									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident do you realize what all these programs have costed california. They are $38 billion in debt!

And doing this will save what, 14m?

	26-06-2004 08:45									#76
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Apparently der Govenator just announced it was a mistake for him to suggest this idea and has (wisely) decided to drop the subject.

Woohoo. Arnie can sniff the winds of change. He is going to go places.

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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus In Lamu, Kenya, they have a program where they capture stray cats and sterilize them then release them.

We have a program like that here in Jacksonville, FL too.


Azazel, are you absolutely sure your no-kill shelters don't get rid of ecess animals. I thought so too until about two weeks ago. Then I learned differently.

	26-06-2004 09:07									#78
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Feral cats are a real problem, they are highly dangerous.

	26-06-2004 10:19									#79
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Kucinich

quote: More like five billion.

for some years I was under the impression that earth would become uninhabitable when our Sun became a red giant of such such size that it would possibly consume the entire earth. This phase of the suns life will be relatively short and indeed best estimates (based on a thorough understanding of the evolution of main sequence stars like our current sun) place it close to 5 billion years in the future when the sun will finally leave the main sequence. However, a couple years back it was determined that the earth would lose its entire oceans within only a few hundred million years and this would lead to lethal surface temperatures *long* before the sun would do it's red giant thing. This wasn't some flaky web based article either but I'm almost certain it was in Science and I may be able to find the issue. I tried googling for the information but it was too much of a pain to find it while excluding irrelevant short term global warming information. If I find it later I'll edit the post and cite it here. Suffice it to say that human beings appear to have evolved not at the middle of Earth's habitable lifespan but rather as close to the tail end of it as aerobic life was to the beginning

	26-06-2004 15:07									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus If politicans finally wise up and start raising taxes on the super-rich by perhaps 3%, that's who.

Do you know anything about the state of California?! We have one of the most graduated state income tax systems in the country. Trust me. The super-rich are paying more then their fair share.

	26-06-2004 15:57									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Trust me. The super-rich are paying more then their fair share.

They wouldn't be super-rich if they where.

	26-06-2004 16:02									#82
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Wrong, All they have to do is make money in things like Stocks or realestate and they don't have to pay taxes until they try to sell them. This is called a capital gain and it is well taxed plus the same money counts towards the person's yearly income so they have to pay income taxes on it as well.

You see we're smart enought to let them invest and make money so the economy keeps moving but we take 50%-60% from them when they try to cash out their chips.

	26-06-2004 16:06									#83
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@Geronimo: From what I heard, far from all geoscientists acept that scenario.

	26-06-2004 16:11									#84
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Our sun is currently halfway through it's life cycle and our solar system is approximately 4.66 billion years old. That means 4-5 billion years is a pretty good estimate for when the sun will reach it's red giant phase. Granted, the Earth's atmpsphere will be evaporated away a few hundred million years before that but we still have a loooooooooong time before that happens.

Just the opinion of one geo-scientist.

	26-06-2004 16:34									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident are you dumb? do you realize what all these programs have costed california. They are $38 billion in debt! Who the **** is going to pay for all these pansy social programs?

Socialist programs ruined the state and has effected the university system. It is because of the damn democrats in the state that my classes are starting to get cut. I'm lucky I got a full set of classes this year. Cuts have to happen. Quite simple. There is just no money to pay for them. But who is responsible for all this debt? The democrats. The left wing in this state. People who hold similiar views to Sava. Arnold went to Sacramento with a mission to clean up this state from ridiculous tax and spend policies, and insanely idiotic welfare programs. He thus far is doing a great job. Thank goodness for him because this state is starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel. Financial growth can be reached. But of course economic growth is wrong under the left wing set of beliefs. It is evil.

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quote: Azazel, are you absolutely sure your no-kill shelters don't get rid of ecess animals. I thought so too until about two weeks ago. Then I learned differently.

That's what I've been hearing from all my sources (dog owners who've adopted, etc.) It's a (mostly) dog shelter, though. Cats aren't put to sleep at all in our city ( There is enough traffic to take care of that animal population )

	26-06-2004 16:49									#87
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All you need to control feral cat populations is a decent winter.

	26-06-2004 19:08									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger And doing this will save what, 14m?

every little bit counts

	26-06-2004 19:11									#89
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@Diss: Is that a Saudi flag?

	26-06-2004 19:15									#90
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not exactly. this flag is black. black flag of the jihad.

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