25-06-2004 19:12									#1
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quote: Schwarzenegger Wants Strays Killed Faster 53 minutes ago SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web sites) wants to repeal a state law that requires animal shelters to hold stray dogs and cats for up to six days before killing them. Instead, there would be a three-day requirement for strays. Other animals, including birds, hamsters, potbellied pigs, rabbits, snakes and turtles, could be killed immediately. Schwarzenegger has told the state Legislature that the changes could save local governments that operate shelters up to $14 million. An estimated 600,000 dogs and cats are put to death each year in California, including 34,000 in Los Angeles alone. The waiting period has caused overcrowding and forced some shelters to kill off animals simply to make room for new ones, said H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for the state Department of Finance. "Because of space limitations, the shelters are being forced to euthanize animals who are otherwise highly adoptable immediately after the holding time," Palmer said. Despite Schwarzenegger's huge popularity, some political observers think the proposal will meet stiff resistance. "There is no organized constituency of cats and dogs, but certainly the pet owners of America will find this reprehensible," said Barbara O'Connor, director of the Institute for the Study of Politics and Media at California State University, Sacramento. "Cats and dogs are like mom and apple pie," she said. "Don't mess with the pets. Most people prefer them to other people." The 1998 law is named for former state Sen. Tom Hayden, who said the governor's proposal "will inflict heartbreak on a lot of owners and people in the animal adoption world."

What an *******! Some people are just made of evil.

	25-06-2004 19:12									#2
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	25-06-2004 19:20									#3
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What's wrong with killing animals? Where do you think beef comes from?

	25-06-2004 19:23									#4
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Killing cute animals

	25-06-2004 19:24									#5
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Hysterical ranting over a minor issue? Wake me when something interesting happens.

	25-06-2004 19:40									#6
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the **** thing is still broken i guess ?

	25-06-2004 19:59									#7
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Clearly the governor hasn't seen this

	25-06-2004 20:21									#8
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quote: "Because of space limitations, the shelters are being forced to euthanize animals who are otherwise highly adoptable immediately after the holding time," Palmer said.

Wait, so killing more animals will allow them to kill less animals?

I have a better solution. Outlaw the sale of cats and dogs.

	25-06-2004 20:24									#9
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No che, it's about killing the non-adoptable animals further, so the adoptable animals can live a bit longer and perhaps get taken home.

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It would be better to undertake a streneous campaign to crub strays. As a dog owner I think it terrible that millions of dogs (and cats, but who cares about cats?) are killed every year-and the problem is overbreeding.

	25-06-2004 20:35									#11
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quote: Originally posted by GePap It would be better to undertake a streneous campaign to crub strays. As a dog owner I think it terrible that millions of dogs (and cats, but who cares about cats?) are killed every year-and the problem is overbreeding.

wait a minute... that would be contrary to what Ahnold wants. He wants to cut programs like this... not start new ones. Killing more animals is probably just a bonus for him. He really gets a boner from cutting programs that solve problems. That's conservatism 101... "dismantle helpful social programs"... "ignore more prudent ways to solve fiscal problems" (like perhaps keeping a tax on the most expensive vehicles that he cut).

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But, don't we have terrible overpopulation on this planet? One would think you'd all be happy steps were being taken to reduce the consumption of earth's resources.

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quote: Originally posted by Verto But, don't we have terrible overpopulation on this planet? One would think you'd all be happy steps were being taken to reduce the consumption of earth's resources.

oh... if Arnold wanted to kill fat, overconsuming, wasteful people (like Hummer owners); I'd be all for it. But not innocent animals.

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Asta la vista, bunny. Hahaha. Arnie's my hero. We should make Vinnie Jones PM over here.

	25-06-2004 20:40									#15
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So being fat is grounds for extermination? What about being ugly? Unemployed? Handicapped?

	25-06-2004 20:42									#16
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I recently got a dog from a rescue organization which specializes in taking dogs out of high-kill shelters in the South (my dog hails from TN).

I think one possible solution would be stricter laws requiring people to neuter their dogs. If you want to become a breeder, make it require a license and make getting that license require time & money (classes, perhaps). In fact, make getting a dog more difficult. In order to adopt Toby, my girlfriend and I:

1) filled out an extensive application
2) had a telephone interview
3) had a home visit/interview
4) Paid a total of $250

This process took months.

Anyway, it's human stupidity/*******ry that is responsible for thousands and thousands of animals being in shelters. As if it's THEIR fault.

-Arrian

	25-06-2004 20:42									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Verto So being fat is grounds for extermination? What about being ugly? Unemployed? Handicapped?

it wouldn't be based on weight... thin hummer drivers should be euthanized too. my bad for not being clear on what would consitute "kill worthy".

	25-06-2004 20:43									#18
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Arrian

no-kill shelters

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quote: Originally posted by Verto So being fat is grounds for extermination? What about being ugly? Unemployed? Handicapped?

I'm surprised you didn't take this opportunity to praise Sava for his Michael Moore-killing policy

	25-06-2004 20:49									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Sava wait a minute... that would be contrary to what Ahnold wants. He wants to cut programs like this... not start new ones. Killing more animals is probably just a bonus for him. He really gets a boner from cutting programs that solve problems. That's conservatism 101... "dismantle helpful social programs"... "ignore more prudent ways to solve fiscal problems" (like perhaps keeping a tax on the most expensive vehicles that he cut).

Did you even read the story you posted? He is repealing a law that requires shelters to keep animals for 6 days before putting them down. Shelters will now be free to decide for themselves which animals should be put down first, and which are more adoptable. What is the point of forcing them to keep animals that they know won't be adopted? That's just a waste of money.

	25-06-2004 20:50									#21
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I was still recovering from the shock of how many people Sava had decided should die.

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No-Kill shelters. I am against animals rights, but that doesn't mean we should be cruel to animals.

In our city, they're building an enormous spacious center for stray animals, that will be taken care of. ( no, not that kind of "taken care of" )

	25-06-2004 20:50									#23
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How is putting an animal to sleep cruel?

	25-06-2004 20:51									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Verto How is putting an animal to sleep cruel?

Apparently keeping them in a cage for a while first is "more humane".

	25-06-2004 20:52									#25
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quote: Originally posted by VJ Where do you think beef comes from?

Stray dogs?

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6 days isn't exactly a long time, Cali. The law wasn't very strict in the first place. Now it's down to 3 days. 3 days? That's nothing.

Whatever. I'm not pissed an Arnold so much as the situation in general. A situation he is not helping. If he wanted to help it, he could take some proactive steps to get at the problem at the front end.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I have a better solution. Outlaw the sale of cats and dogs.

Just what we need. Black-market chihuahuas.

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian 6 days isn't exactly a long time, Cali. The law wasn't very strict in the first place. Now it's down to 3 days. 3 days? That's nothing.

IMO there shouldn't be a time limit at all. Let the shelters decide for themselves.

quote: Whatever. I'm not pissed an Arnold so much as the situation in general. A situation he is not helping. If he wanted to help it, he could take some proactive steps to get at the problem at the front end.

I'm sure there are plenty of other things that could be done to help the problem, but that doesn't mean the effort he has made in this instance is a bad thing. He's looking to cut wasteful spending, and repealing this law does just that.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel No-Kill shelters.

No-kill shelters don't mean the animal doesn't get put to sleep. It means they don't do the killing. If they have an animal for a while or it's clearly not adoptable, it goes to the humane society to get put down.