27-06-2004 12:03									#1
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You know what, I still ****ing hate the idea of having a parade about a sexuality. It's equally as stupid as having a straight pride parade.

That said, I think it's extremely important that the civilized world celebrate the newfound freedoms and political gains that GLBT people of today can enjoy. We can never forget the pain and suffering our fore-bearers put up with, and the sacrifice of many to get us where we are today.

It's ridiculous to be "proud" to be gay. The pride comes from being happy for who you are, being able to accept it and live with it. Being able to live your life as it was given to you, and to enjoy it. It's about being proud for being your own person, despite the vocal discouragement and deeply-seeded rejection of being that person.

So Pride Week is for everyone out there who dares to be who they want to be. Who isn't a slave to the machine, who doesn't form their personality based upon the wishes of others, and who aims to really enjoy their life as best they can.

Sometimes, I feel the fear of uncertainty stinging clear
And I can't help but ask myself how much
I'll let the fear take the wheel and steer.
It's driven me before, and it seems to have a vague,
haunting mass appeal.
But lately I'm beginning to find that I
should be the one behind the wheel.

Whatever tomorrow brings,
I'll be there with open arms and open eyes
Whatever tomorrow brings, I'll be there..I'll be there.

So, if I decide to waiver my chance to be one of the hive
Will I choose water over wine and hold my own and drive?

It's driven me before and it seems to be the way
that everyone else gets around.
But lately I'm beginning to find that when
I drive myself my light is found.

Whatever tomorrow brings,
I'll be there with open arms and open eyes
Whatever tomorrow brings, I'll be there...I'll be there.

Would you choose water over wine....hold the wheel and drive?

Whatever tomorrow brings,
I'll be there with open arms and open eyes
Whatever tomorrow brings, I'll be there..I'll be there.

	27-06-2004 12:07									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You know what, I still ****ing hate the idea of having a parade about a sexuality. It's equally as stupid as having a straight pride parade. That said, I think it's extremely important that the civilized world celebrate the newfound freedoms and political gains that GLBT people of today can enjoy. We can never forget the pain and suffering our fore-bearers put up with, and the sacrifice of many to get us where we are today. It's ridiculous to be "proud" to be gay. The pride comes from being happy for who you are, being able to accept it and live with it. Being able to live your life as it was given to you, and to enjoy it. It's about being proud for being your own person, despite the vocal discouragement and deeply-seeded rejection of being that person.

Thank you. People who ask me about it never understand this. I've no more pride in being gay than I do being white. It's rediculous and pointless. Don't be prideful, just be.

	27-06-2004 12:30									#3
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here's to celebrating the gay-ghetto imposed stereotypes

	27-06-2004 12:32									#4
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It's always amazing to me that people don't understand how diverse the gay "lifestyle" really is.

Hell, I know one guy who refuses to have any kind of sexual contact with a man until they get married.
Then I also know another guy who equates sex with a handshake.

Most people fall comfortably inbetween. Like...well...most straight people.

	27-06-2004 12:33									#5
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Is it pride week already? time to sell pills to transvestites by the boatload

	27-06-2004 12:35									#6
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I understand that some men are feminine or insanely butch because that is part of who they really are.

But I have a problem with when the pressure of certain gay-ghetto sub-cultures causes others to submit to living a stereotype in order to be accepted.

	27-06-2004 12:55									#7
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If you have to be false to be accepted by their group, is it really worthwhile being in their group?

	27-06-2004 13:13									#8
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I fail to see how a desire to see full human rights extended to everyone ought to involve a parade with scantily clad marching boys and flagellation (or maybe that's just the NZ one).

Do they have Dykes on Bikes in the Toronto one?

	27-06-2004 20:30									#9
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quote: Then I also know another guy who equates sex with a handshake.

Was he on drugs when he said this?

	27-06-2004 20:33									#10
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He didn't say it, it's just observation.

	27-06-2004 21:47									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns If you have to be false to be accepted by their group, is it really worthwhile being in their group?

NO -- it's not worth it.

	27-06-2004 22:02									#12
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The only gay people that hang around me are my BF and dead people.......

	27-06-2004 22:04									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Thorn The only gay people that hang around me are my BF and dead people.......

You realize that someone less sensitive to your situation than others might take this up for sig material.

	27-06-2004 22:52									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I fail to see how a desire to see full human rights extended to everyone ought to involve a parade with scantily clad marching boys and flagellation (or maybe that's just the NZ one). Do they have Dykes on Bikes in the Toronto one?

Dykes on Bikes are a worldwide phenomenon (or at least trying to be one). We even had them here in Knoxville during last year's GP, er, HP parade.

	27-06-2004 22:55									#15
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Are these your local DOB organization, Agathon?

	27-06-2004 22:58									#16
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Must be nice to grow up in a period when gays aren't made to feel ashamed of themselves . . . oh wait. You might want to watch The Celluloid Closet and then ask yourself what the point of gay pride is.

	27-06-2004 23:34									#17
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I guess I see your point, considering I often roll my eyes at stupid teenage Americans who exclaim their pride over still being virgins.

	28-06-2004 00:11									#18
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I didn't know Provost was American or a teen. Guess you learn something every day.

	28-06-2004 00:24									#19
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Lol, cheap shot. I doubt he's proud over his "accomplishment"

	28-06-2004 00:27									#20
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Oh, you're talking about His Speerness. Check out the ask LTEC thread for more Speerian Madonna/Whore complex goodness.

	28-06-2004 00:38									#21
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I'm always happy to see evidence that other people are more messed up than me. Gay pride parades and AS fill the bill perfectly.

	28-06-2004 00:41									#22
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You're just envious of my chastity

	28-06-2004 00:42									#23
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Must be nice to grow up in a period when gays aren't made to feel ashamed of themselves . . . oh wait. You might want to watch The Celluloid Closet and then ask yourself what the point of gay pride is.

gee I guess it doesn't matter that many of opposition have LIVED IT

	28-06-2004 00:43									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist I'm always happy to see evidence that other people are more messed up than me. Gay pride parades and AS fill the bill perfectly.

Ah but are they as messed up as me?

	28-06-2004 00:43									#25
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The only time I'd be envious of your chastity is when I'm imprisoned for crimes I didn't commit.

	28-06-2004 00:44									#26
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slut

	28-06-2004 00:46									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Thorn Ah but are they as messed up as me?

I don't know. Expose your soul like AS did in the LTEC thread, and I shall be able to judge.

	28-06-2004 00:52									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist I don't know. Expose your soul like AS did in the LTEC thread, and I shall be able to judge.

and just WHO THE **** ARE YOU?

	28-06-2004 00:53									#29
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The sanest crazy person in the world.

	28-06-2004 00:56									#30
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there's an SF **** Parade today. no men allowed.