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DeepO is offline DeepO

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IMPORTANT NOTE TO OUR GENERALS (which includes Vulture from now on ): We're 6 turns away from the earliest point at which Lego can invade us. Our defenses need to be ready beforehand. We need to move everything in place, and need to build most of our defensive forces, so could you please finalize the precise plan ASAP! Only 1 turn remain for final orders, pleaeaeaeaeaeaeaessee

Start
- ND sends 570 gold, no silks. We lose the luxury, and hence get into big problems with our cities.

- GoW sends 3000 gold unaccepted. Accepted and sent back. Did not sent combustion, as requested.

- RP sends 100 gold + WM. accepted. Send our own WM, Refining, Sanitation in return. Can't send horses.

- EotS loses WLTKD, and does not build rifle.

- Hurricane builds transport. Starts transport, and enter city view.

- cycle through cities.
Elipolis moves off hill, creates taxman.
Tornado moves off coast, creates taxman.
Typhoon moves 2 off coast, creates 2 taxmen.
Monsoon moves off coast, creates taxman (I think it would be okay, but not the time to take risks).
OG can't move off coast as it would run a food deficit. I fear it will loose shields. In that case, shortrush to transport, and destroyer build next.
WW moves off coast to prevent rioting. Taxman.
Inchon takes hill (no exploit, not been used this turn!) instead of coast

- Cyclone builds worker, starts worker.

- Tempest hit by pollution. rifle delayed

- WW builds market. Starts destroyer.

- WoC builds PS. Starts cathedral.

- 4407 gold, 80%, 788 bpt, -161 gpt. (Mass prod in 1 of 4) 2646/3360 beakers collected
tech cost

shortrushes
- OG to transport (8g), set to destroyer

- Tempest to rifle(16g), set to PS

- EotS short rush to guerilla(48g), set to PS.

forces
(- 8 spear, 27 pikes, 8 knights, 8 cat, 12 MI, 2 galley)
- 34 workers
- 31 rifle (+1/turn)
- 13 galleon
- 4 destroyer (+1.58/turn)
- 3 transports (+.83/turn)

For the moment, I'm leaving the knights. If we don't go for cavs, I want to use them asap to rush stuff.

- Average in strength to GoW, weak to ND and Lego

Moves
In general, the specific worker moves are not covered anymore, it gets too tedious. Only important stuff is mentioned.

- pollution control

- mine on Monsoon 3

- forting of 2 coastal incense, and 2 coastal furs

- everything forted, nothing left to do (foresting not possible due to timing.) The rest of the workers skip turn (19 of them)

- our Southern most galley auto-moves to Pica scout, to replace the galleon which is present there (saves 60 gold to use a galley as scout instead of the galleon).
- Galleon in Blizzard upgrades.
- Galleon in Hurricane frots.
- Galleon on scouting pos near Sufa forts.
- Galleon forted in Inchoff moves towards deep scouting spot near Abilene(1 turn)
- 2 destroyers in Sufa fort
- destroyer from D-ville auto-moves towards Inchoff.
- Transport in Inchoff forts.

workforce shuffles
- Cyclone set back to ideal pattern (needs this every turn).

- all cities set back to their pre-silk state.

- WoC takes all shields again, Inchon and Inchoff move to coast.

- Elipolis takes hill from Inchon. Will be able to give the grass next turn (or the one there after)

- D-ville gives mountain back to SA. takes coast instead. SA can move off desert, and take mountain. I hope I am right that the WLTKD next turn will get our eta of BM -1.

- EotS moves off fur, creates tax man.
- SS takes fur instead of mountain. A bit of a break: it will now have exactly as much food as needed to have a settler in 5 turns, without losing pop.

Current Builds
long term plans for our cities

Eli : hospital in 3 (PS later)
Inchon : aqua in 17
WoC : Cathedral in 1
Inchoff : market in 5
D-ville : destroyer in 1
Santa Ana : Battlefield Medicine in 7 (hopefully goes eta-1 with regained WLTKD)
Blizzard : transport in 1(one forest chopped)
Monsoon : destroyer in 4 (eta -1 once tile is mined again)
Arashi : rifle in 1
WW : destroyer in 6
Tempest : PS in 1
SS: settler in 2.
Hurricane : transport in 3. (eta -1 with 1 chop, and 8 shield shortrush to granary next turn)
OG : destroyer in 1 (shows 2)
EotS : PS in 1
Bolderberg : destroyer in 2
Cyclone: worker in 1
Tornado : destroyer in 2 (chop done for -1)
Typhoon : cathedral in 1
Sufa : market in 93

Other

- Lego has combustion

- in F11, we're #3 in production at 665 Megatons. (last turn 651). It's also the first time our total production has dropped to 3rd place.

Next Turn
- forgot the Hurricane 3 foresting. Not replaying (even if I skipped 19 workers), next turn should have enough workers left to do it. As long as we don't have Radio, we are going to have a surplus of workers...

- Hack into city view (EotS), and cycle through cities for silk update.

DeepO

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Also sent a message to ND in the save. They indicate in their last message that they sent us silks, so I'm hoping it's a bug.

In that case, we will need to replay their turn. Do we need to alert Trip? (or are you already watching this, Trip?). I would rather not make it public before we're sure it's a bug.

DeepO

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I'd pm him

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I'm always watching...

Give me some time to look at it (on vacation in Seattle right now).

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okay, see communication from ND. They say it's not their fault, as they sent it. I'll post a message on the public forum

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Oh, in case the previous save has to be replayed, I will not be available until tomorrow in the afternoon, and will miss tomorrow evening as well... Sorry, too many parties to go too

CH, can you cover for me? With the logs, it should be relatively straightforward to replay the turns exactly as before (well, with the exception that you change the slider setting when needed, of course) Watch out for the shortrushing in turn 218, I did not mention it as clearyly as this turn...

DeepO

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ND send Silks and Gold but only Gold arrived. If it is replayed then maybe they should send only the silks, and wait till next turn to send the money.

I can cover over the weekend if need be.

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Other option would be to specifically cancel the silks before sending it. With RP, we ran into similar problems 21 turns ago, which we didn't encounter last turn. I don't know what's causing is specifically, but maybe Trip knows. At any rate, it should be tested by him if at all possible, as it only takes the admin password to quickly test it. Otherwise it takes another 2 days at least.

Thanks for being available, CH.

DeepO

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Can someone send me 1030 AD. I don't seem to have it and need it in order to do the testing necessary to isolate the problem we're dealing with.

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Sorry, Trip. If I have to send it to you, it'll have to wait until the evening... does anyone else has the save handy?

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Where do you want it sent Trip?

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just sent it to him, as I just came home...

In case you need something else, let me know!

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Hmmm... Trip, your inbox is full. Warn me when you have removed some stuff, so I can send it again

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trip needs a gmail account.

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I need a gmail account :doitnow: I don't know why they turned me down, perhaps because I tried to sign up for one using a hotmail account

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if you want to try again, I can send you an invite, OPD. just pm your first and last names and your email address. I think I have two left currently.

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DeepO: NeroTrip (at) comcast (dot) net was full?

Don't know how that's possible, it's stored on my HDD, which definitely isn't full.

But strangely I found the proper save file in here... not sure where it went while I was looking for it before...

Will get this done tonight.

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1030 AD -

ND can't send silks, GS already has them...
Cancel Silks deal, send back Silks and 500g accepted.

1040 AD -

Silks and 500g make it through to GS, accepted.

So that's it. ND should just replay with that in mind.

However...

There is the bug with the game where the turn a deal is renegotiated the effects are removed temporarily (so you'll still lose WLTKD and disorder will occur anyways, sorry ).

Edit: Though there is the F1 mechanic that can be used to get around it...

Last edited by Trip on 06-07-2004 at 08:49

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Thanks Trip.

Oh, and it seems I got the wrong address, I got your hotmail one. You're in my address book a couple of times....

Do you notify ND (if you haven't done so already) on how to proceed? But from their explanation, it seemed to me they already did this.

Oh, and I know that even with the replay, we're going to lose WLTKD in EotS, but only in that city, none of the others. We planned to use the cityview 'hack' to update the correct information already... but now it wouldn't cost us anything, as we don't have to put citizens to entertainers. A big difference!

Thanks,
DeepO

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well thats a relief, that it was just a bug and nothing sinister.

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foresting map from after this turn. Needed for the future, but please, use this resource wisely (which means: no foresting near WoC before we're building stuff that needs rushing. Only one tile remain, and it is being saved.)

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I just opened the ND save... still not seeing silks, if I understood the purpose fo the replay.

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This hasn't been replayed yet? If so, I'll do it in a short while. And without silks, we're facing another delay...

One second please, allow me to get my things together, I just unboarded the plane less than an hour ago.

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I just opened the ND save... still not seeing silks, if I understood the purpose fo the replay.

Well, I know when I replayed 1030 as ND they arrived for GS to accept on 1040. Either there's something really weird going on or ND isn't doing it right.

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Confirmed: ND only offers us the gold, not their silks.

Trip, how do we proceed on this? It's obvious something weird is happening, do we replay our turn 218, setting the lux slider to 10%, and doing exactly the same? I know it will have mean that EotS ends its build normally, instead of losing 2 shields to waste, however it does cost us some 70(?) in gold...

How do we prevent this reoccuring next turn? Is it on option that we end the silks deal on our turn 1030 AD, and let ND send the silks to us normally?

I'm posting a short message to the public forum, Trip, please look into this.

DeepO

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can nd try again, but this time send the save to trip as well, so he can run through it to see if it crops up again? maybe he needs to chat with them when they're playing the game. lost in translation?

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Well, you can request that ND play again, giving them step-by-step instructions on how to go about doing it properly (I'm rather busy right now, which is why it took me so long to help in the first place - if someone else did this it would help speed things up). Barring that, a replay at 10% lux may be your only option.

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Darekill was very specific in that he played it twice like that (so by cancelling the deal first, and then offering silks), so asking them to replay it, following it step by step isn't going to help. Something else needs to happen, or it won't be resolved.

Trip, setting lux to 10%: would that be okay for you? I'm in favor of it, even if it costs us a bit of gold.

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Sure, go ahead and replay your last turn.

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Okay, I'll try to work it in this evening, even if it's quite busy.

DeepO

 
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