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Arrian is offline Arrian
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Jul 2001
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It might be amusing to repost old messages from Lucky when we were trying to get GCA to give us peace. Just for, um, comparison. You know, to point out some hypocrisy?

Except I'd like to see us remain above that. I hope this is resolved soon.

-Arrian

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  Old Post 07-07-2004 23:10
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Furloaf has done a little of that just now.

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  Old Post 07-07-2004 23:44
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I imagine we'll be recapping the gifting of Remembrance now.

I hope mongoose gives a second, decisive answer soon.

Master Zen is offline Master Zen
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key word: SOON

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That was an *excellent* post on CGNs part. They didn't resort to name calling or insults, and using Lucky's previous post was pure *gold*.

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May 1999
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  Old Post 08-07-2004 07:25
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Can someone post a link to this thread at the UN? I seem to be unable to find it.

Hot_Enamel is offline Hot_Enamel
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  Old Post 08-07-2004 08:09
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http://www.cdgroup.org/forums/tbs/c...forum.php?f=428

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Jan 2002
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  Old Post 08-07-2004 11:15
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I love BF's aligator/submarine line.

Arrian is offline Arrian
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I've stated my opinion on the matter. I hope people here aren't upset with me, but I happen to think CGN should make peace, just like GCA was forced to. The situations are, IMO, more similiar than a submarine and an alligator.

-Arrian

asleepathewheel is offline asleepathewheel
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Mar 2002
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  Old Post 08-07-2004 23:07
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I agree with Arrian.

Pride goeth before the fall, I guess in CGN's case it cometh after as well.


Suck it up and get this game moving again. One turn or 5 more isn't going to hurt GCA a bit.

BigFree is offline BigFree

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I've been thinking that CGN's holding out on peace has actually been helping us out...

GWT made the comment that any troops that landed on the Continent would be killed on that turn. GWT also may think that CGN has up to 3 Galley's full of units (6 units) Well, I'm pretty sure that only GWT's Ansar would be able to do that which keeps then from going back home. The other possibility is for GCA to use it's War Elephants; but do they want a GA now when they have such a small Civ? But, that's just peace with GCA. Peace with GWT is not due right now...or is it?

Let's see what mongoose rules and then we ask CGN to abide by it.

Trip is offline Trip
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Wish CGN would just give them peace so we can get on with this game...

GCA probably isn't even suffering from any WW.

E_T is offline E_T
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Mar 2001
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  Old Post 09-07-2004 01:50
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It doesn;t help with any possible Resistance that they might still be encountering, in the Captured cities.

I say let them stew and get Peace in 5 turns.

E_T

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  Old Post 09-07-2004 02:53
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My post at the UN. This is really, really getting to the point, that I'm about to say F*ck it and just end this game, here and now
quote:

You know, this whole situation strongly reminds me of a game I used to play with my best friend and his wife, called Illuminati (the older "deluxe version, not the newer Card Collecting Version). The game had relatively simple rules, but we would get into very heated fights over our Interpretations of those rules. We would argue over the different "loopholes" that were in the rules and that was were our different interpretations had come into play.

It finally got the the point that we just wouldn't play it, because we had valued our friendship more than a little game, i.e. it wasn;t fun to play any more.... The Only other solution, was for the game designers to have thought about and closed every rule that was open to these kind of interpretation, but that would have then left the game with a rulebook that would have been the size of a phone book.

The same is happening here.

GCA, If you had truely wanted peace at the approprate time,

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8 turns since the last hostile act between GCA and CGN should be more than enough...

then you should have made every effort to contact CGN and ask about peace THEN and THEN, after the 5 turns of no Action, then asked for and surely gotten peace. Instead, you want peace as soon as Micco is disbanded, citing that you haven't had any war contact at all. IMHO, that is taking advantage of a loophole in the ruling and not abiding by the spirit of that ruling.

Of course, if you HAD done those things, I would imagine that your GWT Partners wouldn;t have been too happy. But, it would have then been your legal right to do, as stated in Mongoose's Ruling.

So, we are at a quantry, do we go on, with this, either arguing (or having discussed members leave because they are tired of it) or are we going to play. Are you going to abide by the spirit of the ruling, or are we going to have to deal with further "interpretations" futher down the road? Or is it just better for all parties to leave this game and go on to better things, so that they don;t have to worry about this in the future??

Personally, I would like to continue, as I have sacrificed a lot for this game (including my 8 year relationship with my Domestic Partner). But, I'm getting close to the point that I can take it or leave it and I know, that I'm not the only one on my team, who feels the same way, either.

We can either let this game self destruct, or play.

Your choice....

E_T

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  Old Post 10-07-2004 06:50
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PM sent through CDG to mongoose:

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Hey mongoose

I realize that you're likely very busy but if I can get your attention on matters concerning the ISDG it would be great.

The game is at a halt until you make a ruling on CGN's refusal to give peace to GCA at this time. When can we expect a ruling to come forward?

Thanks
BigFree

Sharpe is offline Sharpe
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May 1999
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  Old Post 11-07-2004 05:26
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Quote from Bongo in the UN "How to get this game moving again" thread:

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One way is: Once the last CGN units are removed from their starting continent(including the coastline) CGN are willing to accept peace.

A second way is: Once the last CGN units are removed from their starting continent(including the coastline) CGN will accept the conditions in mongoose ruling as met and will offer peace in 5 turns.


If we could eliminate the word "starting" from "starting continent" , that might be to our advantage in our raid - but then again GWT could use it too

BigFree is offline BigFree

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  Old Post 13-07-2004 00:19
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Didn't MZ have mongooses private email or at least able to get him on IM?

What does it take for the Consuls to get off their bums and get this guy to give us an answer?

asleepathewheel is offline asleepathewheel
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  Old Post 13-07-2004 03:29
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I agree with BF, the time for our consuls to be silent has come and gone. We need leadership communicating to CGN and to the other teams to work through this situation. Clearly this egg Mongoose has layed is not golden. This game is nearly finished due to the immaturity of GCA and CGN, and I don't think Poly and GWT's efforts should be wasted so cavalierly. Unfortunately someone is going to have to swallow their pride, but neither team is likely.

Proposal: CGN agrees to offer peace next turn. A slight compromise, but mostly on CGN's part.


Frankly I think both teams should be removed from teh game altogether, it would right at least some of the wrongs.


We need leadership.

Hot_Enamel is offline Hot_Enamel
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  Old Post 13-07-2004 04:05
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I suggest we contact GWT, and ask if they want to continue the game with both CGN & GCA eliminated from the game.

Make it a CFC, APO, GWT game from this point.

Arnelos is offline Arnelos
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Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
I suggest we contact GWT, and ask if they want to continue the game with both CGN & GCA eliminated from the game.

Make it a CFC, APO, GWT game from this point.


Best suggestion of the year award goes to H_E. Only problem is whether GWT will agree to it, since that gives Apolyton quite an edge having CFC on our side...

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Maybe we couod entice them with a pledge not to go for a UN victory

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Highly, highly doubtful.

GWT is all for playing fair, but I don't see them getting rid of their ally who will eventually be as strong as CGN (since they'll have all of their land ).

asleepathewheel is offline asleepathewheel
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Originally posted by Arnelos
Best suggestion of the year award goes to H_E. Only problem is whether GWT will agree to it, since that gives Apolyton quite an edge having CFC on our side...


I guess that answers my question about people reading my posts to this forum.

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Well, I'm sure it's because you only said half of the idea, and it wasn't in a short post.

asleepathewheel is offline asleepathewheel
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Well, I'm sure it's because you only said half of the idea, and it wasn't in a short post.


I thought the other half was implicit in my statement. Oh well. :P

Master Zen is offline Master Zen
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Didn't MZ have mongooses private email or at least able to get him on IM?

What does it take for the Consuls to get off their bums and get this guy to give us an answer?



I haven't seen Mongoose on MSN for MONTHS.

And I was away this whole weekend in case you didn't read. I'll have to e-mail him now...

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the following was sent to mongoose's e-mail addy:

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Heya mongoose.

The ISDG has been on hold by GCA awaiting an admin ruling on the peace issue, we all feel your post wasn't entirely clear on whether CGN had to offer peace to them right now or wait until 5 turns after the fall of Micco, we'd be eternally grateful if you could check out the UN forum.

http://www.cdgroup.org/forums/tbs/c...opic.php?t=7299

If you don't we'll have to do the unthinkable: ditch the ISDG and get a real life. And none of us are in the mood for that right now

Cheers
-MZ

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quote:
Originally posted by asleepathewheel

I guess that answers my question about people reading my posts to this forum.



@ Sleepy

I was going to post it at the UN over the weekend … just to stir them up a little.
But the forum was down the both times I tried.



*** Hot_Enamel accepts the “Best Suggestion of the Year Award” from Arnelos, fakes a left, and handballs it straight to asleepathewheel ***

Arrian is offline Arrian
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Eliminating GCA and CGN aint' gonna happen.

If CFC weren't around... maybe. But they are, and GWT cannot allow themselves to lose GCA and leave it a 2 vs. 1 game.

I do think the time may have come for us to inform CGN that they need to agree to a compromise, or we will be forced to snuff them.

They may just take their ball and go home... which may be the best thing for the game. If that happens, we lose the free industrial tech, but so be it.

-Arrian

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Well, I went and posted an idea in the UN thread. I made it clear it is a suggestion with no authority to back it up, but I proposed that if GCA and CGN do not come to a compromise in the next 2 days, that APO and GWT work out a solution and enforce it with the thread of elimination to our respective vassals.

I fully expect to be flamed, big time, but I don't really care. I'm looking for a solution. Rational argument and careful coaxing do not appear to have worked, nor have the summons to Mongoose.

-Arrian

 
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