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If Mark and Dan don't make any money out of the site then why do they do it? Neither of them seems to play the games.
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That's an interesting question, actually. I know Markos plays every so often. Have no idea about Dan. I suppose they like pain?
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If Mark plays he's a bloody snob because he never plays with us, and we have invited him to.
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I think that the best idea is the icon next to your name idea. People who donate get no ads, and then they get an icon put next to their name according to how much they donate. That way it is still free for everyone who can't pay, but people who do donate get no ads plus a nice bonus. And I do agree with most people here that if this site ever needs financial help please don't hesitate to ask us! I would gladly donate money if it would mean keeping a great site like this alive!
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I agree with DaveV and others who advocate the "PBS" model of donors either for value added toys/service (cups, t-shirts, icons etc.) or just to support a major form of entertainment. I donate a lot of time and money to different organizations (PBS among them) simply because I enjoy being involved. PBS is a good example, because even though I donate, I don't resent those who don't or can't. Quite the contrary, I strongly support maintaining full free service to non-doners (here and PBS) because the more viewers the better; pay-per-veiw would be the death of both entities.
As for profit, has there every been a suggestion for a true "Apolyton Store?" I'm thinking of Dan and Markos storing books, cups, pens, shirts, Civ related software ect. under their respective beds and selling/shipping on demand. If EB Games can profit from selling Civ so could ACS! Look at all the logo stuff that the folks at SETI@Home sell; I'm sure it wouldn't be there if they didn't make some money. (Plus I'm still wanting an ACS t-shirt or coffee cup!!)
I for one would be a happy contributor, so long as I get a seat with my name on it for the High Holy Days! 
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by yin26 on 03-14-2001 09:48 AM</font>
I'd suggest this: Simply buy your games from this site (some any way). I just bought EU and Poly got 10%! ($3.90). Now, if Markos can track these purchases to a specific user (I guess that's nearly impossible, though they must track IPs), then we can make our contributions by buying games we want anyway (or just make a straight donation with the title/icon idea).
For the record, I've bought perhaps 15 games from Chips and Bits (all delivered to me overseas in Korea), and I've never had even ONE problem! Not a single problem.
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Yin, where are you finding the link to "Chips and Bits?" I'm in the market for games, memory and Mac OS X (soon). I might consider going through Chips and Bits if the price were right, and help ACS at the same time.
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as of today we are posting the weekly top 10 chart from chips
as for an "apolyton store", we have the "games" categories in the links pages, but i guess we need something better....
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OK, let's clarify some things here and now.
1) Yes, Markos and I play games, Civ titles and otherwise. The amount of time that we get to play them is directly proportional to our workload, which is often quite heavy and thus limits free time to do so.
When we decline to participate in a multiplayer game, it is not because we are snobbish or anything of the sort. We simply, unfortunately, are unable to make the time. We certainly never act as though we know "all there is to know" about any game that we cover or otherwise; in fact, anyone that claims to do so is more than likely being quite untruthful.
2) Visitors to Apolyton will never have to pay to gain access to the site. This is something that we do not like to see on other sites, gaming or otherwise, and thus is something that we will not try to emulate. It is also a model that has proven to be more headache than relief and indeed often fails miserably.
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OK, let's clarify some things here and now.
1) Yes, Markos and I play games, Civ titles and otherwise. The amount of time that we get to play them is directly proportional to our workload, which is often quite heavy and thus limits free time to do so.
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Not sure if I believe this. Mark often acts as if he hasn't a clue about the games and you never comment on them.
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When we decline to participate in a multiplayer game, it is not because we are snobbish or anything of the sort. We simply, unfortunately, are unable to make the time. We certainly never act as though we know "all there is to know" about any game that we cover or otherwise; in fact, anyone that claims to do so is more than likely being quite untruthful.
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Make the time. We won't bite you (just beat you).
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2) Visitors to Apolyton will never have to pay to gain access to the site. This is something that we do not like to see on other sites, gaming or otherwise, and thus is something that we will not try to emulate. It is also a model that has proven to be more headache than relief and indeed often fails miserably.
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Basically you couldn't live without your old friend horsie right?
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I only post here and play a few CtP PBEM games, and already I can't find time to play multiplayer games. Can you imagine the amount of time Markos and Dan have, having to constantly update the site AND moderate most of the forums?
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Phoenix, I know arse licking is compulsory in Singapore, but let's not internationalise the practice.
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Solver
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Mark & Dan,
I think you should really consider creating a shop at Apolyton. One that could not only sell your own thingies, but some software. Recently I was in need of 3 Software titles, and if I could I'd buy them here. However, most of the shops will not anyway ship products outside US/Canada, so for me it's nonsense.
Or, perhaps consider a shop which would pay you % for the things they're buying trough you.
Anyway, I wouldn't mind buying something with Apolyton, assuming that 'something' would be of at least minimal use for me. For example, Civ III .
And, I forgot to mention: there's a good proof that MarkG plays, I mean his column, where he "merges" Civ III and CM. Hope you've all read it.
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15-03-2001 03:46
What a wimp! 
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