15-03-2001 19:19									#1
	New, Devious Ebay Popup bypasses popup blocker systems Support Apolyton

The bastards! They stopped using OnLoad, and now conventional ad blockers won't remove them any more! Thank the makers of Proxomitron they have configurable filters...

	15-03-2001 20:18									#2
	Increase Your PM Length

That's why WebWasher won't work anymore! Bastards!

	16-03-2001 10:34									#3
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

I think the time has come to start sending parcel bombs to ebay. I am still not plagued with popup ads though. Until they get rid of the damn things, I will continue to block them...

	16-03-2001 00:19									#4
	Increase Your PM Length

'kay, been trying to create a Proxomitron filter to fix it. No luck. Any clues?

	16-03-2001 00:38									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

My Proximitron blocks them quite nicely. Maybe you just need a new version.

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Try the Proximitron to kill the E-Bay pop-up ads!!
http://accs-net.com/prox/

	16-03-2001 16:44									#6
	Increase Your PM Length

Yep, ditto ck, no problems here...

	19-03-2001 08:38									#7
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Does it really bother you that much?

	20-03-2001 14:48									#8
	Support Apolyton

yes it does

do you post with multiple windows open?

this is what seems to cause the most problems. sometimes when I click on the text box to start typine, the cursor mysteriously disappears. I just don't have time to post like some of yous. Even a couple of minutes this ad slows me is valuable time for me.

	20-03-2001 18:14									#9
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Look like MarkG won't be in a good mood, after reading this.

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	20-03-2001 20:31									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Well this is the price of irritation. The banner ads really don't bother me in the slightest, and from time to time there can even be something interesting up there! But until those pop-up ads go, proxomitron stays activated, simple as that...I'm voting with my feet.

	20-03-2001 20:55									#11
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Apolyton receives money for it, so blocking it blocks some $ coming to Apolyton... And there's never interesting in ads, they're all anyways for Americans.

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	21-03-2001 16:22									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

MarkG shouldn't be angry about this at all.

I posted that I was using the Proxomitron almost a year ago and I asked him if it could cause any problem with Apolyton and he didn't have any problem with it.

BTW, the Proxomitron BY ITSELF is not very good for being 'anonymous'(i.e. IP address, computer and browser type, computer 'name' etc. are still viewable unless you want to go through the hassle of setting it to run through an 'anonymous' public server. And many 'anonymous' servers are in fact not, so check your proxy server on the many pages that will check what a remote observer can view about you) just for filtering HTML pages.

	21-03-2001 20:00									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

let' clear things out

if you use any kind of program to kill the pop-ups it is uncertain if you are hurting apolyton or not. ugo might be counting the impression based on whether the pop-up loads or not. in that case if you kill it, not only are we not payed for it, but you also extend the period that the pop-up will run. if you dont see it, another civer will!

now, if you're using any kind of program to kill all ads(pop-ups and regular ones), you are of course abusing your privilidge to use and blatantly killing this site...


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	21-03-2001 21:11									#14
	Got spare money?

tough titty.

	22-03-2001 10:22									#15
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Bkeela on 03-21-2001 11:11 AM</font>
tough titty.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Now there is a mature response

You have to remember that MarkG and DanQ are just trying to provide this great site at no cost to the user.

	21-03-2001 23:04									#16
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

But Mark, why popup? 2 banners that don't pop wouldn't have so many critics. And, I doubt if there's any way you can prohibit people from using banner killers. Unfortunately, you can't. I don't kill it, mjust because I love Apolyton, but I x it as soon as it loads.

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	21-03-2001 23:40									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 03-21-2001 10:00 AM</font>
let' clear things out

if you use any kind of program to kill the pop-ups it is uncertain if you are hurting apolyton or not. ugo might be counting the impression based on whether the pop-up loads or not. in that case if you kill it, not only are we not payed for it, but you also extend the period that the pop-up will run. if you dont see it, another civer will!

now, if you're using any kind of program to kill all ads(pop-ups and regular ones), you are of course abusing your privilidge to use and blatantly killing this site...
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>
Abusing?? Is it a joke??


OK, let' clear things out:
If we are supposed not to kill ads, then you should announce it in the Apolyton FAQ firstly! It is first time I hear about it. Maybe, I would choose another forum, but I don't want to do it now when I am established here.

Regular advertisement is OK, but pop-up is a terrible thing. (BTW, Ebay crashes my multi-desktop system.) I have speculated what people who brings pop-ups into forums expect. Are they thinking a little? Pop-up may be succesful on sites that are visited infrequently by individual persons. In the case of forum, if you get a pop-up 10th or 20th time within current day you may hate them only.
When I will be really upset I will click on the pop-up and I will stop to buy and to use everything they advertise for.

	22-03-2001 02:33									#18
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by SlowThinker on 03-21-2001 01:40 PM</font>
Maybe, I would choose another forum, but I don't want to do it now when I am established here.

<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Hmmmm... an established "settler"... time for the standard DL search

Again, they have no control over the ads provided by their ad server. While they aren't big fans of these types of ads either, they at least pay the bills so we can continue to get this site for free...

	22-03-2001 03:34									#19
	Get a bigger avatar today!

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Solver on 03-21-2001 01:04 PM</font>
But Mark, why popup? 2 banners that don't pop wouldn't have so many critics
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>you're saying this as if i am the one who chose to place this type of ad here....

	22-03-2001 03:44									#20
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by SlowThinker on 03-21-2001 01:40 PM</font>
If we are supposed not to kill ads, then you should announce it in the Apolyton FAQ firstly!
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>i'm not going to put in a FAQ whether or not you should show any respect towards the efforts some people make in order to provide a good service for you....

	22-03-2001 04:55									#21
	Increase Your PM Length

After complaining to Ebay about the popup ad, and giving them Apolyton's URL as an example of a site where it pops up, I received this email back:

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to write us at eBay. I will be glad to
help as best I can.

At first glance, the banner ads and links on our site might seem
unusual.

We believe that these types of ads and links will bring more customers
for your items. While eBay presents ads and links to other services,
these services are also presenting eBay ads and links on their sites.
This means more people clicking to eBay to view and to bid on your
items.

We also believe that these ads and links provide more variety and
understand that many of you will click through these ads and links to
check them out. These services provide items that are not necessarily
available on eBay and we wholeheartedly encourage you to shop around for
exactly what you need.

We are confident that our relationship with Link Exchange will benefit
our community through more bidding activity and more item variety.

It has been a pleasure helping you. Good luck on all your eBay
transactions.

Regards,

Thomas M. L.
eBay Customer Support
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Lovely And it didn't even address the issue Oh well. That's it for me, I'm going to look for something that will block this popup.

	22-03-2001 13:39									#22
	Remove this text

Mark,
Did your location really change, suddenly? Pretty interesting. Or do I just have migrene caused by banners . And please excuse the harsh tone of the crowd here. Probably you really aren't the one to blame here.

Narck,
Nice message you have got. But I would still be very surprised if I click on the banner, order Civ III, and they ship it all the way to Latvia .

Crowd,
Calm down. MarkG and DanQ don't decide on which ads to put here, as we can see, so they're not to blame. Just let them live in peace, as without the ad, Apolyton might die, and that's something most of us don't at all want.

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	22-03-2001 13:44									#23
	Support Apolyton

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Solver on 03-22-2001 03:39 AM</font>
Did your location really change, suddenly? Pretty interesting.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>no, i just thought i should be more specific....

if you would like me to be even more specific, it could be
"Thessaloniki, Macedonia, Greece"

	22-03-2001 18:13									#24
	Put an end to popups!

Hey, the damn things seem to have stopped now. I have not had a pop-up add all day!!! Yay!

	22-03-2001 19:47									#25
	Got spare money?

Me too.

Thanks Markos - I will now know where to go on my next vacation .

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	22-03-2001 23:41									#26
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How far from Thessaloniki to Tetovo in that other Madeconia.

	23-03-2001 05:31									#27
	Increase Your PM Length

1) there is only one Macedonia.... ( http://history.macedonia.gr/faq.htm )
2) around 350km

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited March 22, 2001).]</font>

	23-03-2001 06:54									#28
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>there is only one Macedonia
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Yeah, but they call it FYROM now because some silly Greeks.

	23-03-2001 15:40									#29
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

MarkG is starting an educational program about Greece .

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	23-03-2001 17:38									#30
	Suffering from ads?

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui on 03-22-2001 08:54 PM</font>
Yeah, but they call it FYROM now because some silly Greeks.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>yeah well, when you have a long history behind you, you usually care about such things. now if you dont have any history at all...