20-07-2004 15:49									#391
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Sent.

	20-07-2004 15:53									#392
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quote: Should I post the current numbers of stockpiled shields/spies for each empire?

Why would you do that?

	20-07-2004 16:11									#393
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Just seeing if there was interest in making this information public. Based on the current votes though...

	20-07-2004 16:40									#394
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Perhaps make it a Spy option? The sending Overlord receives this info when his spy isn't blocked by another spy just coming in service or a shield smearing?

	20-07-2004 16:46									#395
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They'd have to get their spy back to make that option even remotely competitive though.

	20-07-2004 18:03									#396
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sended

	21-07-2004 07:18									#397
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Chaunk has 4 more hours to get his orders in.

	21-07-2004 11:49									#398
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So, is Chaunk game now?

	21-07-2004 12:24									#399
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It would seem his time has expired.

	21-07-2004 12:45									#400
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Everyone dreams that GeoModder attacked an undefended Chaunk and destroys his entire fleet.

Apparently this didn't happen though, as Chaunks bases were still under his control the next day, his fleet proudly guarding their homes.

Last edited by Skanky Burns on 21-07-2004 at 19:11

	21-07-2004 13:46									#402
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Skanky: I hate to admit it, but you gave me too many ships (or, more precisely, I think you put them in the wrong column). I'd be more than happy to keep them...

	21-07-2004 14:43									#403
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Where are the Grand Alliances of the last game?

Eh?

Unity is strength! And bigger battles!

-Jam

	21-07-2004 14:44									#404
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Orders sent.

	21-07-2004 14:46									#405
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I didn't realise there was a 24 hour turn limit on this one........maybe Chaunk didn't either. The whole game has seen timely orders, and I really feel (though it is GM's call) that more flexibility is in order. Of course we don't want half interested people holding up the game, but penalising a player so heavily for one lapse after being reliable for the duration of the game just seems wrong to me.

Also there should be a default OOB set, or the GM asks a third party to send one. That way at least you go down fighting if the game must go on without your orders.

	21-07-2004 14:52									#406
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I think Spike makes some good points, but I also think the 24-hour rule was clear. It's a definite change that needs to be added in the next rules update.

Also, my orders have been sent.

	21-07-2004 14:58									#407
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I'm not sure. I thought last game we waited for orders unless it had been absurdly long.

	21-07-2004 15:00									#408
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I agree with Spike regarding the default OOB; you could set one at the start of the game, and change it later if you felt like it, or else the GM could use the one from last turn.

	21-07-2004 16:13									#409
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Last game the ruling was to use the OoB from the last round, but it was never needed.

-jam

	21-07-2004 16:29									#410
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Gutted. Ah well, tis my own fault since I was online yesterday and just forgot about this. I did have a standard defensive OOB defined somewhere near the start of the game round 2, 3 or 4, but I've not kept my PMs. No matter.

See you next game, good luck all

	21-07-2004 17:07									#411
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Man, that sucks

	21-07-2004 17:18									#412
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It's against my own interests off course, but Skanky used a OoB for Chaunk in the calculation. Skanky, If this is the last OoB you received from Chaunk, why not use it then? I've already got an advantage that by Chaunk not sending orders he has no additional new ships.

This is a game of conquest, no fun in taking out an unaware opponent.

Thus I propose that Skanky uses Chaunk's last OoB (defensive if he had two sets last round) and scrambles the ships. I haven't calculated the outcome, but numberwise I seem to have a good chance.

	21-07-2004 17:30									#413
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I think if we actually take my defensive OOB from last round, there's a very good chance your fleet is utterly destroyed. Just worked out the first round and you take 276 hits. My defensive OOB from the round before was LTLTFF close in spread out.

Lets just leave it as is. I'll get you next game

	21-07-2004 17:42									#414
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Calculated the rest...

code:

FTLFTL			LTLTFF, spread close.
Raw data
100	119
100	49
102	119
100	49
100	90
102	90

Adjusted
200	476	Geo takes 276 hits
50	49	Chaunk takes 1 hit
204	238	Geo takes 34 hits
400	49	Chaunk takes 351 hits
100	180	Geo takes 80 hits
102	90	Chaunk takes 12 hits
Geo takes 390 hits. 
Chaunk takes 364 hits.

Last edited by Chaunk on 21-07-2004 at 17:51

	21-07-2004 17:45									#415
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You realize that according to 1.2, damage only affects the course of the combat if one fleet is wiped out, right? As long as there is still one enemy ship left, they keep using their full firepower.

N.B. If it were up to me, I'd apply damage continually throughout the combat, and, yes, I would be willing to do the extra calculations involved if I were GMing, but, as of 1.2, it doesn't work that way.

	21-07-2004 17:51									#416
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So is that correct then?

What is the advantage of 1.2? Seems to me to make no difference really...

	21-07-2004 17:57									#417
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It looks correct to me, with that OOB.

The main advantage of 1.2 is that it prevent annihilated fleets from hitting back; after all, it does seem rather nonsensical for a fleet that's been completely destroyed in an opening salvo to be able to hit back.

	21-07-2004 17:57									#418
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I win appearantly... and you lose a base.

What OoB did Skanky then use? It's different from the one you post upthere.

	21-07-2004 17:58									#419
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Ok, back from work now.

I basically used the rulings of the previous game for this one, although this didn't come up before. From the first post in the first game thread http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=115624

quote: Every player must also specify an "Order of Battle" every turn, whether attacking, or expecting to be attacked. Failure to do so results in the loss of your whole fleet in confusion and panic. This is simple to do though.

I'd be willing to redo the combat based on the previous OOB as most players seem to already agree is fairer. I'll remove the 4 extra titans I gave Joncha too.

	21-07-2004 18:40									#420
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You calculated that wrong, btw. Lasers beat fighters, so Chaunk's fleet is doubled yet again. 2x close, 2x close, 2x lasers v fighters.

code:
100 fighters	952 lasers	GeoModder takes 852 hits