06-07-2004 19:18									#31
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quote: Cheney will crush Edwards intellectually in any debate, but he comes of as a nastier crueler scrooge compared to Edwards prettyboy image.

It depends. Remember 2000's debates where Cheney and Lieberman both came across as intelligent and friendly people.

	06-07-2004 19:19									#32
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Who says Cheney doesn't have a pretty boy image?

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	06-07-2004 19:19									#33
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Well its not like Cheney going to tell Edwards to go F*ck himself?

	06-07-2004 19:36									#34
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You never know, this go around.

quote: Lord, I whish it was Richardson instead of this vapid prettyboy.

I agree that Richardson would have been an excellent pick. Democrats should find him a national stage.

	06-07-2004 19:37									#35
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	06-07-2004 19:38									#36
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Edwards was the smartest pick for Kerry. It's not about Edwards' intelligence or experience, it's about his appeal to voters at large. Having a young, energetic populist on the ticket is going to be a big plus, especially when he's compared to stodgy, fat old Dick Cheney. I'd equate this to Clinton's pick of Gore in 1992, which was a great move at the time.

	06-07-2004 19:40									#37
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	06-07-2004 19:43									#38
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DEWEY WINS!

	06-07-2004 19:43									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It depends. Remember 2000's debates where Cheney and Lieberman both came across as intelligent and friendly people.

That's becuase they were so like minded in many ways, and it was prior to all the real rancor to follow.

Compare Cheney saying how good it feel to tell people to **** off and the inevitable questions in any debate about his WMD statements (I would love them to play that clip from the Daily Show were they catch him lying) and Edwards.

The accusation of ill-trained trial lawyer does not look too bad compared to corrupt, evil foulmouthed bastard.

	06-07-2004 19:45									#40
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I saw them holding that up on the news this morning.

Isn't that one of Murdoch's papers?

	06-07-2004 19:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Verto DEWEY WINS!

Don't even have to go back that far for the Post:

	06-07-2004 19:48									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Isn't that one of Murdoch's papers?

Indeed, and its shoddy journalism becomes more apparent all the time. Two major blunders like this in less than a year!

	06-07-2004 19:48									#43
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Like I said, he doesn't make even 1 state competitive.

From May:

quote: If the presidential election were held this month, North Carolinians would choose President Bush over Sen. John Kerry in large numbers - unless Sen. John Edwards was on the ticket, too, according to a new statewide poll. Bush handily beat Kerry 48 percent to 41 percent in a Mason-Dixon poll released yesterday. But with Edwards as Kerry's vice-presidential running mate, the race tightens to a statistical dead heat - 46 percent to 45 percent.

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Not that Kerry will necessarily win NC, but if Bush has to dump money in southern states because they now lean red rather than being solid red...

	06-07-2004 19:49									#44
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quote: Indeed, and its shoddy journalism becomes more apparent all the time. Two major blunders like this in less than a year!

10 bucks says the baseball one mattered more to people.

	06-07-2004 19:52									#45
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What bothers me about this is that the choosing of a VP candidate is not normally based on whether they would be a decent president (if necessary) but whether they are 'popular', 'have hair', or can help carry a swing state.

Its all ****!

At least Bush picked a intelligent guy with experience.

	06-07-2004 19:53									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon 10 bucks says the baseball one mattered more to people.

In New York, absolutely. Of course, it's not like it matters, since everyone sees the Post as a big joke anyway.

	06-07-2004 19:53									#47
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I think maybe someone "accidently" slipped the wrong name to the Post

I can see the Daily News making fodder out of it for weeks

For those who don't know, the DN is the most popular tabloid in NYC, a title the NYP is trying very hard to catch, by selling their filth for a quarter. They even posted a giant poster with their circulation numbers right in front of the DN's headquarters. This winter the DN was teasing them over a flap a Post reported caused tyring to do a story about wild and exotic animals in NYC- the reporter illegally bought a lion cub, then panicked when the cub got sick and abandoned it to a shelter- the DN then started a campaign to raise money to save the cub.

	06-07-2004 19:57									#48
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quote: Compare Cheney saying how good it feel to tell people to **** off and the inevitable questions in any debate about his WMD statements (I would love them to play that clip from the Daily Show were they catch him lying) and Edwards.

And Cheney will act the same way in a national debate because...

Is it because you want him to? He's far smarter than that and will act genial and friendly while slicing out Edwards' intestines on a question of policy. He'll have Edwards talking out both sides of his mouth because Edwards will have no clue what is actually going on or what he's being asked. It'll fit in with the theme they have for Kerry already.

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Yeah, because the Kerry campaign won't make sure Edwards is prepped and knows what he's talking about by that point.

Edwards isn't stupid, you know. He may not be Clinton-smart, but he's a helluva lot smarter than Bush. If they can make Bush parrot enough stuff to sound reasonably competent in the debates, there won't be any problem with Edwards.

But by all means, keep playing him up as being dumb and vapid. It will make him look all the better when he emerges as a strong VP campaigner.

	06-07-2004 20:18									#50
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quote: Yeah, because the Kerry campaign won't make sure Edwards is prepped and knows what he's talking about by that point.

There is only so much you can prep a dullard. You can't lead him by the hand out there. Did you even see the Democratic Primary Debates?! And yes, Edwards IS stupid. He's a shade better than Quayle, but only a shade. Kerry should have made a better choice. Perhaps someone who may have been able to deliever a freaking state!

	06-07-2004 20:20									#51
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quote: But by all means, keep playing him up as being dumb and vapid. It will make him look all the better when he emerges as a strong VP campaigner.

Is this going to be like your prediction that Dean would win the Democratic Primary?

	06-07-2004 20:22									#52
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Imran, you're not listening. Bush... debates... 2000. That's all you have to say. Edwards didn't quite have the resources to prep himself that Kerry's campaign will afford him, and they will certainly do so.

Edwards is NOT stupid, and his quite successful career as a lawyer is proof enough of that.

	06-07-2004 20:22									#53
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc So he chose a vapid moron that brings nothing of substance to help the ticket? I can tell he's really trying to win the election now.

Our vapid moron in the number 2 slot has more going for him than your vapid moron.

	06-07-2004 20:28									#54
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Edwards got where he is from a working class background while Shrub got where he is from his daddy's name. I've little doubt which of the two is smarter, and even less doubt which of the two is more charismatic. And if the GOP doesn't expect Edwards to pull off at least a Shrub in the debates, they're in for a rude awakening.

	06-07-2004 20:30									#55
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH What bothers me about this is that the choosing of a VP candidate is not normally based on whether they would be a decent president (if necessary) but whether they are 'popular', 'have hair', or can help carry a swing state. Its all ****! At least Bush picked a intelligent guy with experience.

With a major medical history. And impressive military experience - having had "better things to do," than go to Vietnam, he really sunk his teeth into Panama, then whined at Powell about why Schwarzkopf wasn't "ready to go" into a direct frontal assault with the troop strength in place during December, 1990.

"I've been shot at by professionals. Being shot at by an amateur is no big deal" - USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Larry Welch, after Cheney publicly (and inaccurately) accused him of "freelancing" on Capitol Hill.

Of course, Cheney's experience with government pork and lobbying is real helpful.

Then again, Bush Sr. picked "It's a terrible thing to lose your mind" Danny "I spent the war in Indiana" Quayle.

	06-07-2004 20:30									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: But by all means, keep playing him up as being dumb and vapid. It will make him look all the better when he emerges as a strong VP campaigner. Is this going to be like your prediction that Dean would win the Democratic Primary?

When did I predict such a thing? I never said so. I said he could definitely pull it off, but I never claimed that was how it would be.

And I was far more right about Dean than YOU were, as you claimed he would never get above single digits in the polls. He held front runner status for quite some time.

	06-07-2004 20:35									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Edwards is NOT stupid, and his quite successful career as a lawyer is proof enough of that.

Not that I agree or disagree, but I do find it ironic that Imran is arguing the innate stupidity of a lawyer.

	06-07-2004 20:37									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov And I was far more right about Dean than YOU were, as you claimed he would never get above single digits in the polls. He held front runner status for quite some time.

Yeah, at least until the other guys actually started campaigning and voters started paying attention.

	06-07-2004 20:38									#60
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quote: Not that I agree or disagree, but I do find it ironic that Imran is arguing the innate stupidity of a lawyer.

That's par for the course in that profession.