07-07-2004 22:50									#1
	Civ IV real 3D maps and unities Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

A beatifull game, with real 3D maps and unities.
Transparant water, more réalistic cities, etc...

	08-07-2004 01:30									#2
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I agree wholeheartedly.

	08-07-2004 09:35									#3
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So far so good...

	15-07-2004 02:36									#4
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

It may come true...
If it's a characteristic we all wish.
With a good 3D engine it will be possible.
(sorry my English is really basic...)
The customer command...

	15-07-2004 02:44									#5
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I'm all for better graphics

However, I'd much rather have Firaxis work on improving game features than spend all that time working on graphics and just giving us a rehash of Civ3 in the end.

	17-07-2004 00:49									#6
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Here is a thought (stolen from a game)


At a particular time in a battle, you can pick a unit and see the battle in first person


or is this going to far

	17-07-2004 03:33									#7
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Way too far.

Key words: Grand Strategy.

	20-07-2004 03:54									#8
	Got spare money?

Command & conquer, others, have this yet !
Beautyfull 3D graphics is a minimum...
For a modern game.

	20-07-2004 16:00									#9
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Won't somebody think of the...
low system requirement users?

	20-07-2004 21:16									#10
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quote: Originally posted by rendelnep Won't somebody think of the... low system requirement users?

Agreed, but how low?

	20-07-2004 21:32									#11
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not too low!!!! A new version of the game should expand on the existing capabilities, graphics, etc.

Each version of Civ (1 to 2; 2 to 3) had a vast improvement in graphics. There's no reason to reverse this trend.

I agree it that graphics work should not be at the expense of gameplay, but the opposite is also true. I don't want cIV to look just like C3C with improved AI, units, features, etc. Either extreme is not desireable.

	21-07-2004 02:04									#12
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Lots of people play on laptop computers. these do not routinely have 3D cards (many don't even have dedicated ram for this, but use the main sytem ram for graphics). They should design the game with some thought towards this market.

	21-07-2004 06:19									#13
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quote: Originally posted by lajzar Lots of people play on laptop computers. these do not routinely have 3D cards (many don't even have dedicated ram for this, but use the main sytem ram for graphics). They should design the game with some thought towards this market.

YES YES YES


could not agree more

	21-07-2004 17:33									#14
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So, 3D cards with 16/32 (and more) video RAM, and a good processor are requirded for modern games.

And the next games a lot more...
A new Civ must use 3D graphics, or it will be overthrown by the others...

	21-07-2004 20:27									#15
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I want it made for my new 3.2 ghz, 2-gig RAM comp

	22-07-2004 09:33									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I want it made for my new 3.2 ghz, 2-gig RAM comp

Nice...

	30-07-2004 17:37									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

News abilities will be used at last...

	30-07-2004 17:44									#18
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But the discution is on a new CivIV with 3D graphics.
A lot of strategics games use 3D engines.
What kind of 3D graphics do you expect ?
For the maps, unities, cities, wonders ?

	30-07-2004 21:42									#19
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Scalable in quality.

	30-07-2004 23:37									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

It would be good if 3D units were used WITH weapons separate from the main unit graphic, so you could easily upgrade a Bow and Arrow to Musket, and have it easier to draw them, then you could use the same weapon gfx on a mounted horse rider. You could also have each Culture type have a different body or flag model.
I'm talking about multiple object units, such as a tank turret on a tank body which can rotate separately.
It would be great if this could be done like Alpha Centauri, where the player can design the units from component bits.. deciding if it has tracks, wheels, horses for power. Decide different armor types.. different power types etc.

This also allows far more units, and saves memory.

I would rather have a few custom designed good units than hundreds of un-manageable basic units.

It would be nice to see bullets and shells from artilerry etc shown properly.. flying to the target over 4 squares, maybe bouncing once or ricocheting.

A good thing would be to have 3d graphics so you can zoom in close to actually see the battles better.

It would be nice to see buildings and roads exploding .

	31-07-2004 00:07									#21
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I'd clearly not buy the game if it doesn't run on my computer, and won't buy it if it's 3D. 3D for strategy games is crap, leave it to CAD.

	01-08-2004 05:15									#22
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quote: So, 3D cards with 16/32 (and more) video RAM, and a good processor are requirded for modern games.

and some of us no longer buy games because of that reason.

If Civ IV has the same system reqs for the Sims, that's an appropriate level that most people possess on their computers- any more limits the audience and the possible salability.

besides 3D-graphics look horrible. Civ I, II graphics were far better than Civ III's.

	01-08-2004 05:17									#23
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

3D, as LDiCesare mentioned- looks good only in action,sports, and sim games- it doesn't look good in strategy or wargames

	01-08-2004 06:11									#24
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C&C:Generals used it nicely

	02-08-2004 00:33									#25
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Go with th 3D graphics

	01-09-2004 21:22									#26
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

3D cities growin' like in Simcity 4

	06-09-2004 16:26									#27
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I would prefer a simple representational map that gives me information. (I liked the maps in Civ2 more than I like the fancier Civ3 maps).

	08-09-2004 21:56									#28
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Most people today(gaming) have a GHz computer and lots of RAM. That will be even more a fact when this game comes out. Therefore I presume a vast improvment of graphics, both to please us, and to please the new costumers. After all, Soren have stated that gaining new players is a must. Now, SimCity cities isa to take it a bit far...

	17-11-2004 03:34									#29
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Didn't know if I should start a new thread and didn't bother to search if this has been proposed before, but this place seemed as good as any...

When entering the city view by clicking a city on the map I would like to feel if I zoomed into the city and gradually saw more details of it (houses, improvements etc.) and when exiting zooming out to the main map view, all seamlessly. The city view of civ1 could be as a working example, but with nice integration with the main map.

	17-11-2004 03:37									#30
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Try posting it in the City menu thread.