13-07-2004 09:18									#91
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Scoring Type: Head-to-Head

Start Scoring on: Week 1

Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports

Max Moves: No maximum

Max Trades: No maximum

Trade Reject Time: 1

Trade End Date: November 19, 2004

Trade Review: League Votes

Waiver Time: 2 days



Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules

Playoffs: Week 15 and 16 (4 teams)


Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

Stat Categories: Completions (1)
Incomplete Passes (-0.5)
Passing Yards (50 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Receptions (1)
Reception Yards (20 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Yards (20 yards per point)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)

Fractional Points: Yes

Negative Points: Yes
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Looks good to me, I'll give those settings a

	13-07-2004 09:24									#92
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Maybe I'm not remembering this too well, but I thought we had 2 RB and 3 WR with a TE last year. I know FFZ had 2 RB, 2 WR, a TE and a WR/RB position. Shall we consider a WR/RB in addition to the standard 2 RB, 2 WR, and TE? I know that gives us 1 more scoring position than you'd find on the field but what the hell...
Seems like both leagues had an extra position last year...

	13-07-2004 09:31									#93
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Yeah, but I realized something. 2 RB, 3 WR, and 1 TE (with 1 QB, of course) results in 12 players on the field . There has to be 5 OL in a real NFL game, and I wanted it get as close to a real Pro-Style with positions. This ain't the Canadian league .

Though I guess we could have 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 RB/WR, 1 WR/TE.

	13-07-2004 13:23									#94
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Lol, no offense, but might as well go with 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 1 RB/WR. If there is a discrepancy in weight we've given the positions, creating more variablility would end up letting people take advantage of that. For example, if WR's are too valuable and someone can mathematically figure that out they can go with 4 WR's while the rest of us are screwing around with the more standard 2 RBs, 2 WRs, TE and an extra RB or WR...

I think the 1 pt per 10 rushing yards will ensure RB's have plenty of value compared to WR's but why let people opt out of TE's? Oh well, I'd rather go with 2 RB, 2WR and a TE than eliminate the requirement for a TE. But I'd also rather go with 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 1 WR/RB

	13-07-2004 13:29									#95
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Or we can go with what we had last year, 2 RB, 3 WR, and a TE. That seemed to work out okay and it'll make sure no one can field 3 RB's in case we've over-valued them... Or we can go with what you have set up already. Just wanted to call your attention to the change from last year in case that was unintentional and see what others preferred...

	13-07-2004 17:40									#96
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I prefer TE over WR/TE. A swing position in the starting lineup de-levels the playing field.

Assuming we have a legit TE, seems like the question is really 2-ea. RB/WR vs. 3 WR - 1 RB.

I'm a traditionalist, but today's reality is that 1-back sets are more common. The downside of a single RB, though, is that there aren't that many true "load" backs anymore -- more RB by committee except for the few teams with All Pros at the position.

As the new guy, that's tough for me to gauge... As long as we keep the TE, I'll be happy.

	14-07-2004 06:27									#97
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I like Imran's suggestion. 6 eligbles only!

	14-07-2004 06:42									#98
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Kalius, you mean 6 scorers (aside from K of course)? QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE?

Either way will work 4 me

	15-07-2004 13:08									#99
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	16-07-2004 00:25									#100
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Bumping for my own convenience

Oh no wait, I do have a question...

Exactly how does the draft work? If we're doing this Monday (during work hours), I need to know things like:

--draft order (presuming alternate-reverse order rounds?)
--time limit before BAPAY
--whether bench is position-specific or as-you-wish
--(obviously) confirmation of team confirmation per discussion above

I've got a large dose of RL happening now, and time grows short -- so a specific post from the commish would be appreciated.

	16-07-2004 01:01									#101
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just asking that question means all your picks will be BAPAY

	16-07-2004 01:12									#102
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Exactly how does the draft work?

We draft throughout the day, i.e. the draft clock keeps ticking.

quote: If we're doing this Monday (during work hours), I need to know things like: --draft order (presuming alternate-reverse order rounds?) --time limit before BAPAY --whether bench is position-specific or as-you-wish --(obviously) confirmation of team confirmation per discussion above I've got a large dose of RL happening now, and time grows short -- so a specific post from the commish would be appreciated.

1) Draft will be determined at random, and will snake.
2) Normally, twenty-four hours.
3) Free choice.
4) What do you mean?

If you're of missing a round/pick, send in a list.`

	16-07-2004 01:13									#103
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quote: --draft order (presuming alternate-reverse order rounds?)

We should be getting to that. Kalius is suggesting his random function on his calculator. I have done the names in a bag pulled out at random before. Any other suggestions? We can put two levels in... one person can assign numbers at random to each team and then give Kalius just those numbers and then Kalius posts the numbers and then the other person gives what teams they correspond to (of course that person will send which teams = which numbers to me beforehand ).

quote: --time limit before BAPAY

24 hours

quote: --whether bench is position-specific or as-you-wish

As-you-wish

quote: --(obviously) confirmation of team confirmation per discussion above

I think I'll go for a tradtional PRO offense:

QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE

I guess people aren't too fond of having a swing position giving the option to play 3 WR with 1 RB.

And we'll start something on Monday. Whether it is setting the draft order or what.

	16-07-2004 01:17									#104
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what about kickers and defense?

	16-07-2004 01:17									#105
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1 K
1 Team D

	16-07-2004 02:59									#106
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quote: Kalius is suggesting his random function on his calculator. I have done the names in a bag pulled out at random before. Any other suggestions? We can put two levels in... one person can assign numbers at random to each team and then give Kalius just those numbers and then Kalius posts the numbers and then the other person gives what teams they correspond to (of course that person will send which teams = which numbers to me beforehand ).

If you want I can just use the order teams appear to me on the Yahoo! page?

	16-07-2004 03:13									#107
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Sorry Imram -- I was in fact referring to team composition, as you surmised.

Traditional NFL 2-RB, 2-WR 1-TE, 1-QB, plus a kick, a team defense, and 6 bench players of whatever denomination I damned well feel like.

I'm feeling reasonably well-informed -- except for the draft order. Thanx!

	16-07-2004 03:24									#108
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quote: If you want I can just use the order teams appear to me on the Yahoo! page?

Well I was suggesting a second layer of secrecy in case some idiots think that the process wouldn't be fair.

	16-07-2004 03:58									#109
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quote: Well I was suggesting a second layer of secrecy in case some idiots think that the process wouldn't be fair.

It really doesn't matter what number the team is, so long as it has a number. The number is just a substitute for a name

	16-07-2004 06:05									#110
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As long as I am pick #1, I don't care about the order!

I have no preference in order, and I will go with whatever is decided

	16-07-2004 20:46									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: If you want I can just use the order teams appear to me on the Yahoo! page? Well I was suggesting a second layer of secrecy in case some idiots think that the process wouldn't be fair.

HEY!!!!

I had the last pick in the first round last year, so I must be the idiot you refer to.

However, having 2 picks back to back was nice, so I won't complain (much) if I am last again.



ACK!

	16-07-2004 20:51									#112
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Don't matter to me, I'll beat you all anyway... I feel that I'm fine as long as I don't get stuck with any players from the Bears

	16-07-2004 21:56									#113
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quote: I had the last pick in the first round last year, so I must be the idiot you refer to

No, I was actually refering to someone who isn't in the league this year .

	17-07-2004 01:49									#114
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Go to the Yahoo site, where the teams are listed in this order:

- Billy's Boingers (Tuberski)
- Sarlat (Kalius)
- Cute Little Bunnies (-Jrabbit)
- Flippin' Monkey Men (Japher)
- Vegas Skullsmashers (Dissident)
- Berzerkers (Berzerker)
- Dallas Dwarf Tossers (SlowwHand)
- Kyrandia Dragonhawks (reismark)
- Ramsey's Razorbacks (gjramsey)
- Fighting Emus (Jac de Molay)
- Amsterdam Afros (Zopperoni)
- Georgia Gliders (Imram Siddiqui)

Have two people generate random number lists (1-12). Preferably, Poly people who don't participate in the league.

Use the first number list to (randomly) re-order this list 1-12.
Use the 2nd number list to assign the draft order. to that re-ordered list.

Obviously, this can be done in a single iteration. The 2nd randomization would be used to minimize people declaring it fixed.

As for me, I don't really care where I pick, as long as I know a couple days in advance so I can feel prepared.

If we're really starting Monday, we need to get it together.

(A list of Poly names alongside team names would also be nice. I made a start, above.)

Last edited by -Jrabbit on 19-07-2004 at 07:58

	17-07-2004 02:51									#115
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I am the Kyrandia Dragonhawks.

	17-07-2004 03:02									#116
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I'm the Flippin' Monkey Men

Imagine, I came up with that right on the spot!!!

Monkey!!!

	17-07-2004 03:08									#117
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quote: If we're really starting Monday, we need to get it together.

Well we're starting the draft ordering. I think we'll make the first pick start at 12:01 AM on Tuesday. I also think I got a person to help with the reordering of numbers (1st person). Kalius can do a simple the randomize from the numbers 1-12. Just PM the randomization to someone else in the league (any volunteers who'll be around most of Monday)? And I'll PM the random list I get (which will say which team = which number).

Then the one who is PMed can post both lists and the final draft order.

	17-07-2004 03:27									#118
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You can PM the rando lists to me if you like.

Kalius' will re-order the list from the post above.
Imram's will assign 1st-round draft order to the resulting list.

I typically have a Poly window open from 7am - 5pm every weekday. Weekends are spotty (dialup) but I'll check PMs so we can get this posted earlier if possible.

Ready, set -- RANDOMIZE!!

	17-07-2004 03:32									#119
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Ok... to be clear Kalius should send you a list with numbers, ie:

1. 8
2. 12
3. 4

I'll send you a list with names to numbers, ie:

8. XXXX
9. ZZZ
12. YYYY

Combining them together results in the draft order:

1. XXXX
2. YYYYY
etc.

	17-07-2004 03:53									#120
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"Vegas Skullsmashers "

I would guess that is Dissident