21-07-2004 23:55									#61
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I have had a lot of luck by taking the AC you have and putting him on that mountain. As long as yo do not get all 16 to attack you, it could do the job.

I am not sure of the no attack NW or whatever it is, but if you had the AC on the mountain and they did not attack you could kill them one at a time. If you wait to heal before any attacks.

You get those 6 HP at elite, so it is hard to lose one on one. If all come, then at least it could take down quite a few.

	22-07-2004 00:09									#62
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Figured it was a CH prebuild Except I'm surprised it's not still building workers until at least 1 or 2 hills nearby are mined.

Maybe your way is better. I typically have my outlying cities, especially those with lots of food, produce workers until I have developed the terrain enough such that I can hope for at least 2-3 shields/turn net.

-Arrian

	22-07-2004 04:05									#63
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Citizens of Lutetia, it's time to panic!
Even the Spearman garrison runs away, leaving the newly-founded town undefended.

Fortunately, Iron has just been connected, so we burn all our cash in Warrior-to-Legionary upgrades.

Next turn, the barbarian horsemen all attacked vacant Lutetia, and received our entire treasury of 23g as their loot. They promptly decided that barbarian life does not pay well at all, and proceeded to vanish into thin air.

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	22-07-2004 04:18									#64
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Not too bad, good thing no more barb captures city as in Civ2. I remember a few barbs citys cranking some horse type units. I want to say they were knights, but I can't recall. It was ugly though.

	22-07-2004 17:10									#65
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And now you can position some legionaries to get hit by whatever horsie stacks are left around, getting them promoted.

vmxa1 - I vaguely recall a game of CivII where a civ that started on its own island got wiped out by the barbs right away. They took the capital and just hung out for thousands of years, building units slowly but surely. It took me a while to deal with them all. IIRC, they got up as high as the CivII equivalent of Cavalry, whatever it was called (think it was 8.3.2?).

-Arrian

	22-07-2004 22:20									#66
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Sorry for the OT, but thanks I was not sure. I think they were crusaders.

	23-07-2004 03:39									#67
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After dealing with the barbarians in Roman territory, the Roman army resumed its march north to harass the Celts. No hostilities have yet started, but the Ancient Cavalry are roaming around Celtic borders looking for a chance. Legionaries are holding back, however, as orders have come from Rome to delay any Golden Age until after the Forbidden Palace has been built (estimated in 10 turns).

Caesar is still saving gold, and researching Monotheism at a 50 turn pace. The gold will be used to rush-buy some infrastructure so that the Roman Golden Age is more efficient. Remember, the plan is to slow down the tech pace so our Ancient Cavalry and Legionaries last as long as possible.

Greece has entered the Middle ages, and has either received Engineering as well, or has not yet traded their free technology to the AI. Since Egypt acquired Engineering this turn and signed peace with Greece, it actually might be that we were lucky and everyone received Engineering as their free tech.

Since Rome no longer has a technological lead, the age of world rage against Greece has ended. Alexander will be happy, but his people might not be.

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	23-07-2004 23:33									#68
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Well this caught me by surprise! Is the AI is going to settle 3 tiles from both my city and his (Theveste and New Pompeii), to steal a couple of tiles from me?

The AI city placement in C3C has taken a lot of flak, but I think it's actually better than in PTW. It uses wide spacing when it has room, and tight spacing when it doesn't.

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	24-07-2004 00:52									#69
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He would if he knew of a resource or lux being there, otherwise he may just be in transit.

	24-07-2004 01:44									#70
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You're right vmxa1, they're in transit. False alarm!

In other news, Persia and Greece have a right of passage agreement, which will no doubt lead to Greek units passing through Persia to meet Carthage (see minimap in a previous post).

But Caesar saw a chance to make Persia revoke their right of passage with the Greeks. The Celts and Persians have been at war for a while, although the distance between the two empires have prevented any fighting between them. Caesar agreed to a enter military alliance with Xerxes against the Celts, if Persia agreed to go back to war against the Greeks. Thus started the great Romano-Celtic war. The Roman army found the Celtic army exposed in transit to Persia and ambushed them in marshlands.

So the Roman Golden Age has started, and we pray to Mars for Great Leaders. As you can see from the number of Gallic Swordsmen in the Celtic Army, the war will not be easy.

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	24-07-2004 02:15									#71
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I should send you two a gift or something for the entertainment. I am getting quite a few chuckles out of reading each of you getting the AI to switch sides all the time.

	26-07-2004 19:35									#72
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Nothing very exciting has happened over the past hundred years, except Egypt and Greece are now at war. Caesar suspects that Alexander has recruited Babylon and Germany to squeeze Egypt because Cleopatra settled a horse town quite close to Greece.

With one quarter of our golden age over, we are still focusing on infrastructure. We have built the Forbidden Palace in Cumae (not the best location, I know, but Caesar ordered it to be built ASAP for the OCN bonus). We also started building Courthouses in the Western part of the empire, so that it continues to be productive after the GA. Marketplaces are also being built in core cities in preparation of the soon-to-be-connected third luxury (dyes).

The Romano-Celtic war continues, as Brennus continues to provide a steady supply of Gallic Swordsmen for the Legionary training program. Mars, however, has not yet blessed Rome with a Great Leader.

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	26-07-2004 19:40									#73
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Legionaries and Ancient Cavs, what nice toys to play with.

-Arrian

	27-07-2004 02:07									#74
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When Emperor Trajan shows up to lead an Ancient Cavalry Army, you know it's time to PARTY!

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	27-07-2004 02:49									#75
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Indeed.

	27-07-2004 16:33									#76
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Oh dear. That bad boy can be dispatched over to jshelr's lands and wreak havoc.

I've got a SP game going in which I have an AC army and a Med Inf army. Tough to say which I like better. The AC has maneuverability, but the MI army has that 6 attack. It's quite the nutcracker.

Things appear to be going well for you, alexman.

-Arrian

	27-07-2004 20:54									#77
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The plan is to fill the Army with Ancient Cavalry, kill a Celtic unit to enable the Heroic Epic, and then continue to farm for leaders while the Army travels west to Greece.

I thought of waiting to fill the Army with Medieval Infantry (army stats 6-3-2) instead of Ancient Cavalry (army stats 4-3-3), but since Greece is quite far away, we need the extra movement to get there as soon as possible. We also do not yet know Feudalism, so filling the Army with Medieval Infantry would mean delaying the Heroic Epic and the expedition to Greece.

If all go as planned, with more and more Elites accumulating and the Heroic Epic built, Rome will get her Medieval Infantry army as well.

	27-07-2004 23:52									#78
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Yeah, in that position, the AC is clearly the way to go. Though it doesn't have quite as much punch, it is faster and has more hp (15 hp if 3 vets are used). Both of those factors serve to increase its pillaging abilities.

Basically, I figure jshelr's screwed. I don't see how he's going to be able to deal with an AC army.

-Arrian

	29-07-2004 05:28									#79
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Our game has slowed WAY down these last two days, but here is the latest anyway.

In 130 BC we discovered Monotheism, and traded it around to the AI for Engineering, Feudalism, the Republic, all their gold, and even 18 gpt from Egypt. Needless to say, Caesar also used his temporary technological lead to make sure that the world is at war with Greece once again.

The AI is in no position to threaten Greece at this point, and Alexander will get a nice happiness boost out of the war declarations. However, keeping the AI at war will slow down the tech pace, which as you know is one of Rome's goals for the Medieval Age. Unless Greece builds some ships, the war will also hopefully keep them from meeting the Celts and Carthage, from discovering the location of Rome, and from trading (especially resources) with the AI.

Meanwhile, the Celtic war is still going strong. Where is Brennus getting all those troops? We are averaging about 2-3 elite victories per turn, so the next leader should not be far.

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	30-07-2004 00:02									#80
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Russ made peace with the flip-flop Persians again, who happily declared war on Rome instead.

That was a good move, I think in response to an e-mail I sent him telling him that "a small expeditionary force has left Rome for Greece" (meaning our little Army). So no ROP with Persia then, but the Army is taking the northern route to Greece anyway.

In the tech front, Greece does not seem to have obtained any Medieval technology other than their free Engineering (how lucky am I that all three scientific civs got the same free technology?). Germany just discovered Invention, and is currently the only civilization with it. I fear Gunpowder will not be far. To keep up in tech, we have to do some token research of our own, so Rome is running 20% science towards Theology.

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	02-08-2004 21:52									#81
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Caesar had asked permission from Cleopatra for Trajan and his Army to pass through Egypt on their way to Greece. Cleopatra happily agreed. They were, after all, allies against Greece, and she was even paying him 14 gold per turn for an alliance.

But just 40 years later, Cleopatra accepted a bribe from Alexander to switch sides and join Greece against Rome. That was a brave move by Cleopatra (bordering on stupidity, actually), considering that Trajan's Army was within striking distance of her core cities.

But Trajan was under strict orders from Caesar to not attack any Egyptian cities. Frustrated, he killed an Archer unit, did some pillaging, and continued on his way southwest to Greece.

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	02-08-2004 22:02									#82
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Meanwhile, back east, Brennus launched a major counterattack, killing one Legionary unit and one Ancient Cavalry unit, the most heavy losses inflicted by the Celtic army in the war thus far.

However, his attacking Archers and Gallic Swordsmen were left exposed to a Roman counter-counterattack. It was a brilliant tactical move by an Elite Legionary unit led by Hadrian that avenged the earlier loss of their comrades.

The Heroic Epic, completed in Rome 20 years ago, was beginning to pay off. Hadrian will form an Army to be filled with new high-tech units called 'Medieval Infantry', currently fielded only by foreign empires.

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	03-08-2004 03:47									#83
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A slight problem on the diplomacy front: we are now at war with everyone except our loyal Carthaginian allies (who are getting beaten up by the Persians). I bet Russ is throwing all his gold into bribes, because he still doesn’t have any medieval technology apart from his free Engineering.

The problem is not military, it is that I can no longer trade with the AI, so my plan to trade Theology for everyone’s gold and technologies can’t happen for a few turns. Hopefully the AI will not discover Theology themselves before they decide to talk to us. Of course the science slider is set to a minimum in the meantime, so we don’t discover it and thus make it cheaper for the AI.

On the other hand, since the AI doesn’t attack healthy Armies in the field, our voyage to Greece will not be delayed much. The state of war just means that Trajan’s Army pillages, captures workers, and rolls over any AI units on its way to Greece. The ability of Armies to blitz, pillage with no movement loss, and heal in enemy territory is definitely overpowered.

Mighty Rome does not fear any pathetic AI wars. Bring them all. After all, war is where Rome’s militaristic trait shines, compared to our scientific opponent.

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	03-08-2004 04:52									#84
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A slight emergengy: The Germanics managed to slip a Longbow into the outskirts of the Roman empire, and are threatening to sack Nicomedia.

The Elite Spearman fortified on a walled town on a hill has about 82% chance of victory, but still, Caesar is nervous.

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	03-08-2004 04:56									#85
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In other news... well, it's not really news any more, is it?

Germanicus is our fourth, for those keeping track at home. At this rate, we'll be able to afford to burn a leader to move the Palace to a better location. Rome has started building a Courthouse in preparation.

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	04-08-2004 01:19									#86
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Finally, time for some real action!

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	04-08-2004 02:12									#87
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That could get ugly.

	04-08-2004 02:42									#88
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Not so fast!

Instead of attacking the first target available, our Army decided to explore the Greek territory, pillaging and murdering Workers on the way. But as Pharsalos came into view, Trajan's morale suddenly sunk...

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	04-08-2004 03:17									#89
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With four Armies in the field (3 empty) and a leader available, Caesar is debating whether to assign Claudius to move the capital to Byzantum, or to have him found the Pentagon.

Given that the Roman barracks cities are currently building Horsemen to be upgraded to Knights as soon as Chivalry is obtained, wouldn't it be wonderful to fill the Armies with four Knights each? That would be three 6-5-3 units with 16 HP each, for those too lazy to do the math.

So be it. The pentagon it is for Claudius. The next leader will move the capital.

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	04-08-2004 19:01									#90
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You're getting MGLs left and right, so either choice works.

Do you get to see what is in your opponent's army, or just the top unit in it?

-Arrian