04-08-2004 17:35									#61
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well, actually, he has three moves with that army. but he is not going to bash into a hill city on the frontier where he suspects i've got a number of units fortified.

he is trying to make me spread out for one thing and he wants to make his escape after being wounded in battle for another.

	04-08-2004 17:41									#62
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quote: Originally posted by jshelr well, actually, he has three moves with that army. but he is not going to bash into a hill city on the frontier where he suspects i've got a number of units fortified. he is trying to make me spread out for one thing and he wants to make his escape after being wounded in battle for another.

I agree, but having your army there would put it in a position to take out Alex's if he does move on marathon (he would get one attack and I believe you have two units there) and is seriously injured. He would either be forced to take on the army or to reset his offensive.

	04-08-2004 19:03									#63
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Sword - Hoplite - Hoplite?

The way the army bonuses work, I don't understand that mix.

The attack points add up to 5, the defense points to 8. Since it is divided by 6 and rounds down, you get no attack bonus, and a +1 defense bonus.

If you had gone sword-sword-hoplite, however, you would have attack and defense bonuses of +1 each, because the attack points and defense points would both add up to 7.

-Arrian

	04-08-2004 19:29									#64
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Two items in flimsy defense.

We got the army when stretched to the limit by simultaneous ai attack. It worked primarily to attack babs bowmen stacks. The sword killed a bowman and the hoplites assured survival.

To make a long story shorter, we didn't have two swords at the time.

	04-08-2004 19:48									#65
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That would explain it

-Arrian

	04-08-2004 21:28									#66
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Makes perfect sense. Following this game is a blast. Thanks, jshelr.

	05-08-2004 05:32									#67
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I've got a MI+Sword+Hoplite Army, thankfully... but ya do what ya gotta do.

Go get'em, Greece!!

	05-08-2004 18:46									#68
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Our troops regularly worship the great God RNG and he was on our side in the recent dustup with Trajan.

The Roman leader declared his leader Trajan a wimp and that he deserved to die.

That may have been harsh, for he did disrupt life for awhile.

This morning's problem is a combination of a bad reputation, which doesn't let me by tech for gpt anymore, and a stack of 20 barbarian horsemen that threatens to take away my gold stash.

We need to build a town near the barb hut and will have to settle for a disadvantageous hill position and move another town later. We will be lucky to get that as we are racing babs, egypt, and persia for the spot.

By the way, I don't recall what I did to deserve the bad rep?

	05-08-2004 19:06									#69
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Good job nailing his army. I thought that sucker was going to really cause you trouble. All in all, you did well.

Dunno about your rep. It's easy to overlook something that's not entirely in your control, and get screwed because of it.

-Arrian

	05-08-2004 19:37									#70
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Didn't you buy some techs for gpt fairly early on, and then have them declare war on you (courtesy of bribery by alexman?) That's enough to ruin your gpt rep, even though you weren't responsible for it.

	05-08-2004 19:54									#71
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quote: Originally posted by vulture Didn't you buy some techs for gpt fairly early on, and then have them declare war on you (courtesy of bribery by alexman?) That's enough to ruin your gpt rep, even though you weren't responsible for it.

You are correct. But they let me continue to do gpt deals after that happened. (I think )

I believed at the time that if they declared war, they did not hold me responsible. Let me go back and look.

It's probably better to do cash deals anyway. They give discounts for cash and we are far enough behind so it doesn't really matter if we wait a bit more.

Advice solicited: head for democracy or military tradition?

Not much war weariness in PBEM

	05-08-2004 19:56									#72
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Vulture, are you sure about that? I was thinking that if the AIs were the ones who declared war, GPT deals broken as a result wouldn't affect a civ's reputation.

On the other hand, if jshelr traded a luxury in a deal where an AI provided something up front, and declarations of war came about in an order that cut off a trade route while the deal was still active, I'm almost positive that that would mess up his trading reputation.

	05-08-2004 20:00									#73
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quote: [SIZE=1] On the other hand, if jshelr traded a luxury in a deal where an AI provided something up front, and declarations of war came about in an order that cut off a trade route while the deal was still active, I'm almost positive that that would mess up his trading reputation.

No roads, harbors, or trade in lux or strat resources yet. Sounds weird, I know, but 3 things conspired to make it that way

1) it's a long way to the next civ
2) neighbors have usually been at war with us
3) coastal cities will be a pain in the ass once we get to marines.

We were building a road to the babs and were on the last tile when Trajan pillaged it and murdered the innocent worker.

	05-08-2004 20:18									#74
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay Vulture, are you sure about that? I was thinking that if the AIs were the ones who declared war, GPT deals broken as a result wouldn't affect a civ's reputation. On the other hand, if jshelr traded a luxury in a deal where an AI provided something up front, and declarations of war came about in an order that cut off a trade route while the deal was still active, I'm almost positive that that would mess up his trading reputation.

Well, I was sure. I wa sunder the impression that just about anything that cut off a per-turn deal involving the player hurt the players rep. If the AI declaring war didn't hurt your rep, it would be rather too easy to goad the AI in to war when you wnated to break the deal. Just keep on making those demands....

In the past, I've seen a situation where the AI did one of it's "I'm innocently moving my immortal next to your city, oh ally of mine" moves, and since I knew it was about to attack, I bought a few techs off it for gpt. And that ruined my reputation when Xerxes did the honours next turn.

that was way back in vanilla civ3 though - it might well have changed since then,

	05-08-2004 20:43									#75
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Turns out is was their investment bankers. We were regarded as poor credit risks with too much gpt outstanding

When a deal with the Persians came off, everybody was happy to do business with us again.

We bought two alliances cheaply from Egypt and Germany for 12 gpt total. We like those since if they flip on us they don't get paid

Persia is hot to trot on war with Rome and did an alliance for free. We should have asked them for gold, but it didn't occur to us.

The Babs have bowmen all over my lands, as per usual, and I'm a little worried about them. They are Alex's gateway to Greece and were reluctant to sign onto an alliance.

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	06-08-2004 00:12									#76
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Note there was no RoP between Rome and Babylon in the above picture.

Next turn, there was a RoP. Since Babs are on our border, I feared the worst. We bribed an alliance with the Babs, hoping to make the gauntlet Rome has to run a little more difficult. Anyway, if Alex stacks up some arty and lots of units, the Babs will undoubtedly immitate a matador.

	09-08-2004 23:15									#77
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Alex and Rome remain at war with virtually everybody a few turns later. It's time for a long-shot, last-ditch trading strat designed to catch up on tech

i'll trade anything for tech and use units to try to keep unhappiness to a minimum. Never thought I would be trading iron to the neighboring Persians, for example, but why not?

The zero-extra iron should be replaced in a few turns and hoplites don't require it.

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	11-08-2004 22:11									#78
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Situation report:

Alex of Rome has an economy that can now both bribe and research. Therein lies our doom.

Emperor Alex has alliances with Egypt, Germany, and the Babs. That = the much dreaded passage to Greece, and he should arrive any time now.

Germanic knights are a pain in the butt, helped by the rng which is, evidently, no longer on my side.

We have scratched and clawed to invention and printing press. Would like banking next. My theory is that you can defend in PBEM under democracy without ever going down to anarchy. I suspect we are not totally behind the curve on tech, but we can't afford to get gunpowder.

There have been fewer chances to buy tech with lux and strat resources than hoped. Too many wars, too few road or sea linkages.

With the Babs and Germanics pouring in 4-attack units, our brave hoplites are finally starting to bleed. The arty stack is not having much effect of late, and we've lost some swords.

	11-08-2004 22:57									#79
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That is not a pretty picture. The bad thing for about reading these DAR's is that someone is going to start losing and everyone is sort of like a friend.

I just hope it was fun, it seems to be a joy to the readers.

	11-08-2004 23:55									#80
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We remain plucky

	12-08-2004 21:30									#81
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So, last turn our good friend and staunch ally Xerxes suddenly could no longer trade iron with us

Fearing the worst, we sent a hoplite out to investigate.

here's what he found, and keep in mind that we are stretched thin in the north and have responded to Alex setting up the north as the likely invasion route

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	12-08-2004 21:32									#82
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Checkmate

However, in pbem, it is the duty of the poundee to let the pounder enjoy a bit of pounding if he so desires.

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	12-08-2004 21:54									#83
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Maybe I can fool Rome into a peace treaty

Message to the Emperor of Rome

When our good friend and reliable ally Xerxes no longer could trade iron, we sent a young hoplite out to greet our incoming Roman friends.

I'm sure a little diplomacy can smooth over any differences we may have had in the past.

We've heard that Romans are kind to vanquished foes, absorbing them into the empire.

Take my wife. Please.

Temporary Head of Greece, at your service

	13-08-2004 00:06									#84
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The man's inhuman

not only did he refuse my wife, but he is having sport with us

"if Greek troops manage to defeat a Roman Army, Caesar will recognize the Greek bravery and forfeit his claims on Greece. Rome will retire from the game and Greece will be free to battle the AI to Alpha Centauri"

we will fight him on the beaches

we will fight him in the fields

we will fight him in the streets

we will never surrender

or, something like that.......

Friend Bismark was in perfect postion to stab Ham in the back. And, so it went

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	13-08-2004 00:09									#85
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We are now free to conduct a scorched earth retreat to Athens were the barbarous Romans will encounter two armies and tons of hoplites, as well as some arty. we may pick one of his armies off.....only time will tell.

	17-08-2004 04:49									#86
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I'm a dead man too, having also conducted a scorched earth retreat. Good try though, Russ!

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So, we have a bet with the Romans. They believe they can defeat Greece without losing a unit. Failing that, they will disband and let us shoot for the stars alone!

What we should have done is disbanded all cities and camped out with one settler on a mountain with a fort and all our units. But we're not that smart.

Instead, we are holed up in the capital, letting anarchy pay the bills for the defense.

	17-08-2004 16:14									#88
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This impressive stack has pillaged sufficiently so we can't get our arty and one-movers near them.

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	17-08-2004 16:16									#89
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Athens can fill it's empty army with 3 offensive units or 3 hoplites. there are lots more units in the capital, but Rome can kill them all one at a time. Only the armies count.

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	17-08-2004 16:17									#90
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Our friendly bookmaker quoted one chance in ten if we fill with MI units and go out like men to fight the Romans.

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