12-07-2004 00:02									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Well, as I said to you before, there is no absolute morality, so we have to go with what the prevailing majority thought at the time. Of course, this can make some past moral judgments look wrong compared to our eyes, but who knows what our socieites do that will look wrong in generations to come. That's the way it is.

Do you honestly go about your day in the view that your actions may be judged immoral based on random and meaningless swings in demographic cultural polling?

Beyond society, beyond culture there are morals that bear no transgression. It is wrong to kill the innocent regardless of majority thought. It is wrong to oppress the weak. Every human that is self-aware and sentient has rights based on that awareness. We are individual unique beings that in all the history of universe have never existed before and shall never exist again. Our human rights and responsibilities derive from that simple, sobering thought. We have a right to free speech, to life, to education, to freedom of worship, to be treated respectfully when deserving. We have a responsibility to protect society's downtrodden, to treat others equally, to develop ourselves fully as individuals. There's no Heaven, no Hell, no eternal justice and a loving God to care for us. We have a responsibility and a right to see justice and fairness in this life because this life is all we get.

And above all morality, guiding everything there stands the one rule: Treat others as you would have them treat you. I would not deny you your expressions of love and commitment and you have no right to deny me mine.

	12-07-2004 00:03									#62
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@PA: Would it kill you to tell what you meant with the vigilantes remark?

If yes, I suggest you tell us straight away.

	12-07-2004 00:06									#63
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First off if this will pass, they need to fix the language, "Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman." There are ways to get around this . . .

Now for the serious stuff, aren't there more important issues to deal with then marriage? Every other issue that is there is more important then marriage. We have Iraq, Economy, invasion of privacy problems (patriot act), the whole world mad at us, etc. There are more pressing issues and anyone who brings this up is doing so in a politically motivated way. And if they disagree they are liars and should crawl into a corner and die.

Next it is too late to protect the sanctity of marriage. You should first off make divorces illegal, BEFORE anything is said about protecting the sanctity of marriage. I would like to know out of all those who support this, how many and which have had divorces. If any of them have divorced they are the biggest hypocrits in the world and resign from their job in shame and again crawl into a corner and die.

Finally there is supposed to be a separation between church and state. Anyone who uses religeon to justify that marriage is between a man and a women should again resign in shame. It is unfortunate that so many decision makers are corrupt and use religeon as an influence on their policies.

We need a law making it illegal to use religeon as an influence to ones self with a max penalty of life in jail. Even though such a law would be unenfforceable

May George Bush rot in hell.

	12-07-2004 00:11									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue All the part-time psychologists are out again

It's actually pretty well established - and personally the vast majority of the homophobes I've met IRL have later come out.

There's a reason they call it homoPHOBIA.

We're still waiting on you...

	12-07-2004 00:30									#65
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Well you can wait till you die

"t's actually pretty well established - and personally the vast majority of the homophobes I've met IRL have later come out"

i) Great proof!

ii) A homophobe is someone scared of gays, I'm not. It would take a pretty weak person to be.

	12-07-2004 00:31									#66
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I remember what happened at uni Stew, what I have been informed about. The truth will out, as they say

	12-07-2004 00:32									#67
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@PA: You don't need come out. We know anyway.

	12-07-2004 00:34									#68
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A lot of trolling and not much sensible discussion over the role of vigilantes..Ming close this thread as I am being horribly insulted.

	12-07-2004 00:35									#69
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Pot, meet kettle.

	12-07-2004 00:42									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue A lot of trolling and not much sensible discussion over the role of vigilantes..Ming close this thread as I am being horribly insulted.

aaaaawwww . . . . . .

	12-07-2004 00:47									#71
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Half of my pleasure in seeing society progress forward lies in righting wrongs. The other half comes from seeing social conservatives pissed off.

	12-07-2004 00:48									#72
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So are you prepared to live with a future of being locked in a loveless heterosexual relationship Stew? A life is a long time to live a lie...come on, be honest!

	12-07-2004 00:49									#73
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Says the guy who is 27 and hasn't kissed anything other than his nephew, his dog and his mum

	12-07-2004 00:51									#74
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So two more things than you've ever kissed?

	12-07-2004 00:55									#75
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I certainly hope PA hasn't kissed his dog ...

	12-07-2004 00:56									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Says the guy who is 27 and hasn't kissed anything other than his nephew, his dog and his mum

And?

	12-07-2004 00:57									#77
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Ah well, it's hardly the most stable of footings to go dishing out accusations of abnormal sexual behaviour

	12-07-2004 01:04									#78
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I never called anything abnormal...that's your autosuggestion there. Don't put words in my mouth, or anything else for that matter

	12-07-2004 01:05									#79
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Foot fetish?

	12-07-2004 01:07									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue A lot of trolling and not much sensible discussion over the role of vigilantes

What should vigilantes be allowed to do against homosexuals without fear of prosecution?

It's tough to have a sensible discussion over the role of vigilantes when all you seem capable of doing is posting and smilies in response to any question posed to you.

	12-07-2004 01:07									#81
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Why do you bother?

	12-07-2004 01:08									#82
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I've gotta kill time until the bourbon kicks in.

	12-07-2004 01:08									#83
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"Why do you bother?"

I really don't know..

	12-07-2004 01:09									#84
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PA, answer loin's question.

	12-07-2004 01:11									#85
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"What should vigilantes be allowed to do against homosexuals without fear of prosecution?"

What like splitting up their hand-holding?

Because the public don't want to see it, nor their children, in order for them not to be affected.

	12-07-2004 01:12									#86
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How should they split up their hand-holding?

	12-07-2004 01:13									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue What like splitting up their hand-holding?

By what means?

	12-07-2004 01:13									#88
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Jinx!

	12-07-2004 01:13									#89
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I'm 11 seconds dumber than you.

	12-07-2004 01:13									#90
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So all homosexual activity should take place in dark university rooms between two over-beered friends?