12-07-2004 01:14									#91
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Firstly by mass public complaint. Then by whatever means necessary.

A peaceful solution unless the gays don't want one.

	12-07-2004 01:17									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Then by whatever means necessary.

Up to and including assault, or up to and including murder?

	12-07-2004 01:17									#93
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Stewie's going to organize some brown shirts.

	12-07-2004 01:19									#94
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quote: by whatever means necessary

By whatever means necessary? How far would you take that?

	12-07-2004 01:19									#95
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"Up to and including assault, or up to and including murder?"

I believe that would not be necessary.

	12-07-2004 01:21									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Foot fetish?

Horses for courses and all that lot, and whatever goes on between two consenting adults. Although I must admit, I find the idea rather icky...

	12-07-2004 04:48									#97
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quote: Jon Stewart: For more on the gay marriage controversy, we turn to Daily Show senior moral authority, Steven Colbert. Steven, thanks for joining us, we appreciate you being here. Steven, obviously you're something of an expert on relationships. Having by your own count, been involved in over 300 of them by your, I believe, your 21st birthday. Steven Colbert: And, 10 more on my 21st birthday, John. It was, it was quite a night. JS: Steven, why has same sex marriage created such a furor? SC: John, there's a simple fact here: marriage is a contract between a man and a woman. An often violated, easily broken, eminently disposable contract. Between a man and a woman. The minute we let gays and female gays... JS: That's uh, that's lesbians. SC: Them. The minute we let them get married, you're breaking down the last societal barrier between our world and their world. JS: But, I think that's the point. I think the point is that when you break down those barriers, that's a metaphor for something positive. SC: Look, Jon, he only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a giant homosexual taunt. But now, now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives. JS: But I'm not still seeing, and again, I haven't studied it like you have. But how do two people who have nothing to do with you, how does their personal decision impact your commitment. SC: Well Jon, here's a for instancestance. [sic] My wife and I have been through a bit of a rough patch lately. Over the last few months, I've forgotten our anniversary, her birthday, on several occasions, her name. Now, I ask you Jon, is this because of some magic pattern of emotional neglect just dropped down from the sky to ruin my marriage? Isn't it the simpler answer that hundreds of gays were granted judicial permission to seek equal contributory benefits? Connect the dots, man. JS: But Steven, ... SC: Oh, and I banged her personal trainer. JS: [shocked pause] SC: I'm telling you, it's getting bad. JS: Well then, I guess, you know, you feel so strongly, you would probably support the constitutional amendment banning same-sex unions. SC: Absolutely, Jon. I know a constitutional amendment is a drastic step. But there's a societal trend out there I disagree with, so, what other choice is there? We have to defend the institution of marriage. JS: Well, to defend the institution then, would you also support a constitutional amendment against adultery? Because that's really... SC: Whoa. Whoa. Listen, comrade. Get your jack-booted thugs out of my bedroom. Or rather, one of several undisclosed bedrooms. And, one time behind the lat machine. That was awesome. She's really fit.

	12-07-2004 05:01									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Because the public don't want to see it, nor their children, in order for them not to be affected.

Heterosexuals do not suffer any negative effects from seeing homosexual couples holding hands in public.

The only heterosexuals that have a problem with it, are those who are ignorant about these issues, and/or they homosexuals.

	12-07-2004 14:31									#99
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"Heterosexuals do not suffer any negative effects from seeing homosexual couples holding hands in public."

What about the three-year old kid, who starts to think it's normal and becomes gay himself. Or is that OK to you, to corrupt little children against the wishes of the parents.

	12-07-2004 14:35									#100
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You need ask?

I seriously doubt, BTW, that seeing gays hold hands will turn kids homosexual. The opposite obviously doesn't work with kids that see heteros holding hands and nonetheless grow up to be gay.

	12-07-2004 14:37									#101
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"I seriously doubt, BTW"

Why? Don't kids learn from what they see?

	12-07-2004 14:41									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue What about the three-year old kid, who starts to think it's normal and becomes gay himself. Or is that OK to you, to corrupt little children against the wishes of the parents.

You have a very warped and naive view of the world. Sexuality just isn't defined like that. Tell me, why do people still become homosexual when all they see are heterosexual relationships. The other part of the story being swept under the carpet just makes it very hard for homosexuals to come to terms with who they are, that is the truth of the matter.

And I certainly do not like your use of the words 'normal' and 'corrupt'. There is nothing state your frame of reference is correct. You have no moral authority.

	12-07-2004 14:43									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue "I seriously doubt, BTW" Why? Don't kids learn from what they see?

Did you even read the rest of my paragraph? I explicitly spelt out a good reason to believe they don't learn from what they see in this case.

	12-07-2004 16:03									#104
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I once held hands with my boyfriend in Swansea - which is a lot less accepted in Wales than in the South East of England.

Almost everyone stared and we had a lot of abuse shouted at us.

We still carried on.

There are a lot of people out there braver than you and your imaginary mob of 'vigilantes' (though of course that's not difficult), who would carry on even if you threatened them with violence.

Gay men and women have been standing up to prejudice for a lot longer than either of us have been around. People aren't going to stop because of people like you.

	12-07-2004 16:34									#105
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"You have no moral authority."

And anyone actually does? All we have is opinions.

	12-07-2004 20:39									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue What about the three-year old kid, who starts to think it's normal and becomes gay himself.

For that matter, what about the three-year old kid who thinks its normal to threaten and possibly even inflict violence on those with a different opinion than him, and grows up to be another bigoted 'vigilante.' I doubt the parents would be too thrilled about that either.

quote: quote: You have no moral authority. And anyone actually does?

Yes -- you'd previously said that morality is determined by society, and society certainly does not approve of you threatening or inflicting violence on somebody else just because the two of you have a difference of opinion. "Stop holding hands or I'll beat the tar out of you" qualifies as assault.

	13-07-2004 08:00									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue "I seriously doubt, BTW" Why? Don't kids learn from what they see?

Holding hands doesn't make you gay or heterosexual- did you miss out a lot of sex education in special ed.?


Perhaps there's a special pull out from the 'Daily Sport' with small words or stick figure pictures that you can understand which might be able to explain human sexuality to you.


If you're a result of a 'higher' education someone at admissions seriously goofed.

Still, perhaps you could serve as an example to a younger generation of how not to turn out, so in that respect you might serve some useful purpose, other than being a draught excluder or hot air generator.

	13-07-2004 13:46									#108
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Insults Poor debating technique

	13-07-2004 23:17									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue "Heterosexuals do not suffer any negative effects from seeing homosexual couples holding hands in public." What about the three-year old kid, who starts to think it's normal and becomes gay himself. Or is that OK to you, to corrupt little children against the wishes of the parents.

Man -- what kind of a world do you live in? Because here on Earth, one's sexual orientation is not determined by indoctrination or exposure to other people of different sexual orientation.


It's normal for me to be with another man and to show appropriate affection if we both feel like it, in public places. There is no "corruption" factor.

	14-07-2004 00:05									#110
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You're wrong. There are VERY few places where you would get away with that sort of behaviour.

	14-07-2004 00:15									#111
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With my last partner, we got away with it wherever we felt like holding hands. Some people scowled at us, a couple have muttered obscene remarks but we got away with it, because no one has the right to take away the rights of others.

	14-07-2004 00:17									#112
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"The right to hold hands", that is plainly ridiculous

You have no rights.

	14-07-2004 00:18									#113
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What is ridiculous is you making a huge deal out of two people holding hands in the first place.

	14-07-2004 00:18									#114
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Two gay people. Because I don't want to see it and neither do 99% of people.

	14-07-2004 00:22									#115
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Aaaaawww . . . . . that's too bad.


By the way, you greatly exaggerated to what extent the population finds this repugnant. And secondly, just because there are bigots out there that have a problem with gays holding hands, does not mean that gays should not hold hands in public.

It's not our fault that bigots are not able to deal with THEIR problem -- that's right -- it's their problem, so don't put the burden on us.

	14-07-2004 00:24									#116
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By the way I think the percentage I get from my sample of population is a lot less biased than yours will be

	14-07-2004 00:37									#117
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Well, if I took a sample of a population where the majority says you're an idiot, you wouldn't believe that either.

	14-07-2004 00:38									#118
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From Poly? People here are deluded fools.

	14-07-2004 00:52									#119
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From the results of a 2001 Gallup poll:

quote: The percentage of Americans who believe "homosexuality is an acceptable alternative lifestyle" rose from 38% in 1992 to 52% today, an increase of 14% in less than a decade. The Century Gallup Poll records that the previous decade, from 1982 to 1992, there was only a four-point jump, from 34% who felt that homosexuality was an acceptable alternative lifestyle to 38%. Thus, the acceleration of approval for homosexuality, from 4% a decade to 14% in less than a decade, is almost a fourfold leap.

Even if we assume that all of the remaning 48% who disapprove of homosexuality would be willing to employ assault and battery to voice their disapproval, the "99%" estimate is still way off.

	14-07-2004 00:54									#120
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PA, cool it, or my Panzers will come for you.