18-07-2004 04:10									#1
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I just lost 2 modern armor attacking 2 riflemen. A third MA was crippled and an enemy bowman finished him off. I mean, seriously, wtf?!

	18-07-2004 04:17									#2
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bring back firepower

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	18-07-2004 04:55									#3
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In my last game, I lost a veteran Destroyer to a regular Galley. Both were at full health when I attacked, but when the smoke cleared, my Destroyer was starting a new career as an underwater reef, while the Galley went merrily on its way with 1 HP left.

Battles are weird sometimes.

	18-07-2004 05:03									#4
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If you play long enough, you'll see an unfortified barbarian 1hp warrior on grassland defeat a full hp 4-MA army bonused by the Mil. Academy while playing chieftain.

	19-07-2004 04:29									#5
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Chalk it up to sucessful ambushing by lo-tech forces. Its rare in real life but does happen occasionally.

	19-07-2004 05:25									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker If you play long enough, you'll see an unfortified barbarian 1hp warrior on grassland defeat a full hp 4-MA army bonused by the Mil. Academy while playing chieftain.

Have you personally seen this?

If this ever happens to me, I will burn all Civ3 CD's and manual and never ever think about playing again.

	19-07-2004 05:31									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker If you play long enough, you'll see an unfortified barbarian 1hp warrior on grassland defeat a full hp 4-MA army bonused by the Mil. Academy while playing chieftain. Have you personally seen this? If this ever happens to me, I will burn all Civ3 CD's and manual and never ever think about playing again.

I doubt he's personally seen this, but if you play Chieftan often for years on end, I'm sure you _would_ see it. It's just slightly within the realm of possibility.

	19-07-2004 05:37									#8
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Yes that is homely, but ugly things will happen during combat. I also always thought FP should have been added to reduce these occurrences.

The designers wanted to have obsolete units still be some what effect and they are at times. You just roll with the punches.

	19-07-2004 05:55									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Have you personally seen this?

No, but I haven't tried one million battles between the aforementioned units.

EDIT: btw, the chances are 1.3*10^-51

	19-07-2004 05:58									#10
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I'm going out on a limb and saying it's impossible.

	19-07-2004 06:00									#11
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See edited post

	19-07-2004 11:17									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: Originally posted by Dissident Have you personally seen this? No, but I haven't tried one million battles between the aforementioned units. EDIT: btw, the chances are 1.3*10^-51

Is this WITH or WITHOUT the 800% combat bonus against barbarians on chieftain?

	20-07-2004 09:19									#13
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another thread complaining about combat results

	20-07-2004 09:37									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Mad Bomber Is this WITH or WITHOUT the 800% combat bonus against barbarians on chieftain?

With.

	21-07-2004 10:46									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker No, but I haven't tried one million battles between the aforementioned units. EDIT: btw, the chances are 1.3*10^-51 [QUOTE] Is this WITH or WITHOUT the 800% combat bonus against barbarians on chieftain? [QUOTE] With.

So the percentages would be :
0. 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000013%

Seems too high to me (j/k)

	27-07-2004 00:26									#16
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I blame the AI often not updating their units even though they have 40,000 gold. I hate checking the military advisor to see they have 100 spearmen, 20 pikeman, 4 musketeers, 20 riflemen and 140 infantry when theyve got all that money.

	27-07-2004 23:14									#17
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The whole things an RNG lottery. I can sympathise with the Modern Armour - Rifleman thing, the MA should kick their butts (please no-one start talking about RPG's and Grenades being available to the Riflemen, you PAY to upgrade your units, the fairys cant do it )

	27-07-2004 23:41									#18
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I stopped *****ing about the pRNG when one of my Cavs took out a fortified Vet Mech Inf in a metro without taking any damage.

	27-07-2004 23:42									#19
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(Except I didn't ***** about it before either, but you get the point.)

	28-07-2004 02:13									#20
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What did the "firepower" do exactly, in Civ2?

	28-07-2004 03:04									#21
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In Civ2, firepower determined how many hps would be subtracted when a hit was scored in a round of battle. Most Civ2 units had fp=1, however some, like the howitzer and cruise missile had firepowers of 2 and 3 respectively. The idea was that modern units could more easily dispatch ancient units without needing to have lots and lots of hps and endure many rounds of combat.

	28-07-2004 22:37									#22
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Isn't that represented by "Rate of Fire" in the Civ3 editor?

	28-07-2004 22:40									#23
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spy14: Rate of Fire is the number of times an artillery unit will get a shot when bombarding another unit. It doesn't effect combat.

	28-07-2004 22:41									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist I stopped *****ing about the pRNG when one of my Cavs took out a fortified Vet Mech Inf in a metro without taking any damage.

Great. It's still dumb though.

	29-07-2004 00:15									#25
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The lack of FP is pretty much compensated for by the increase in A/D values (at least AFAICT).

	29-07-2004 01:42									#26
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One of the things that made civ2 so flexible for scenario makers is that you could fiddle with hp and fp values to create some really interesting units. For example, in one of the Civ2 scenarios there was a poison gas unit. It had a fairly low attack value indicating that it often failed to hit its target, however fp was something like 6 so that if it did hit, it did a lot of damage.

fp wouldn't really work in civ3 unless hps were also increased.

	29-07-2004 06:38									#27
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This is why we have artillery, gunkalator... you could create exactly the same unit in C3, basically.

	29-07-2004 10:25									#28
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I had my elite tank taken out by a spearman one time - the spearman was attacking.

Why is it that elite forces seem to be wimpyier than regular forces ?

	29-07-2004 11:57									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Pizza I had my elite tank taken out by a spearman one time - the spearman was attacking. Why is it that elite forces seem to be wimpyier than regular forces ?

Here are the odds of this occurance, given the best conditions for the spearman to attack.

	29-07-2004 17:40									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker This is why we have artillery, gunkalator... you could create exactly the same unit in C3, basically.

Oh, I agree. I much prefer the Civ3 system with bombardment. I never liked artillery having to attack like tanks.