23-07-2004 22:13									#31
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Dun-dun-DUN!!! We seemed to have gotten close enough to trigger Yang to contact us. According the info screen we are 'sufficient' to his 'unsurpassed'. This is what he had to say (and should we fork it over?):

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	23-07-2004 22:42									#32
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Aw, this is worse then I thought. I've sent a PM already before reading this.

Give the tech, he is high on the graphs. We will infiltrate him later and disgorge anything if we find it necessary from him.

	23-07-2004 23:09									#33
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He may bully for a second tech. I would say give it, we will take it back later.

	23-07-2004 23:13									#34
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Blast I was rather hoping we would meet someone else.

I don't think we're in much of a position to argue given Yangs ranking in the charts.

He also doesn't seem too friendly.

	23-07-2004 23:26									#35
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You're right about the second tech - Geo's been testing and it's either PlanNets -and- Cent Eco or vendetta

Right so time to bribe for peace....we will get you later Yang

	23-07-2004 23:32									#36
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I'm in favour of giving both techs as well. It keeps him off our backs for awhile, and we can give it a try to infiltrate him in the meantime.

Also, if he's bullying us like that, the same happens to the other teams. If we manage to infiltrate him quite soon we have an idea (on his tech base) what other factions he has bribed and which have refused.

lastly, Yang is a strong 'border patrol' for us against the other factions for land units.

	23-07-2004 23:47									#37
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Here's the presend save:

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	23-07-2004 23:51									#38
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And the latest pic :

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	24-07-2004 00:04									#39
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Summary:

- Met Yang and realizing we'd get pwn3d forked over PlanNets and CentEco
- KP pod is off to site yellow with the scout escorting it thru the river fungus
- probe near Snowflake coming in to heal up for more exploring
- probes up near Yang pod popping and looking to dance thru his pickets to infiltrate (pod popping = denial tactic)
- 3 formers on the way, + another from KP; we really need a terraforming schedule/plan!!

	24-07-2004 00:07									#40
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Turn chat between Maki and me for this turn.

Geo says:
Hi, crisis solved already? I just discovered I don't have to go anyway...
Maki says:
well herc's read my pm, but not responded yet. just want that one extra opinion before continuing (so i don't feel like i'm railroading the game lol)
Geo says:
No prob, you've got one opinion already then. I think it's best (for now) to give the tech.
Geo says:
After all, he's our 'border patrol' for the other teams too. Can't hurt to stay a bit friendly with him...
Maki says:
especially if we're going to try and get those two probes up there to infiltrate (assuming the land bridge is there)

Geo says:
If he's around us, there is a landbridge.
Geo says:
Where did you discover him?
Maki says:
i don't know yet the comm popped up as soon as i got in the turn.
Maki says:
i expect it was the forest probe tho.
Geo says:
Have you tried move the diplo screen around? Like with a normal windows windows?
Geo says:
* that should be: Windows windows
Maki says:
it seems to be stuck in place :/
Geo says:
Darn, I know that a lot of popup windows can be moved. That one not then. We'll see it soon enough after the diplo is done.
Geo says:
Btw, I thought we are allowed to replay a turn to have diplo conversations with the AI, or I'm I wrong here? I'll check the rules...
Maki says:
the side turns yes but i'm not sure about the 'official' turn
Geo says:
Yeah, but special circumstances here I think since you can't do anything with the diplo popping up at once. Perhaps if I open the turn and go through Yang's demands?
Maki says:
i was just about to suggest that
Geo says:
Downloaded, I'm now opening SMAX Besides, I'm the Infotrader eh?
Maki says:
'zactly
Geo says:
Bad news, he demands PlanNet AND CentEco...
Geo says:
And it is the forest probe who was discovered by him. A synthmetal one.
Maki says:
bloody 'ell. :/ I suppose we have to just put up and give to keep him away?
Geo says:
Or we ask the Pholus Staff if we may redo the turn and refuse to talk to him. Testing that now...
Geo says:
No deal, he outrights declares vendetta when I refuse to talk to him. It's whether or not giving him both techs or have vendetta.
Geo says:
It galls me, but I think it's best giving both techs and infiltrate him. We might always try to steal techs from him and try to put the blame on another faction.
Geo says:
Any news from Herc?
Maki says:
oi. I guess it would be fork over then, because we don't have much of an army and even though it would take time for him to get here, we dunno what kind of weapond they have (i'd assume impact...)
Geo says:
Let's keep him happy and use him as our strong 'border patrol' against other factions. We're the best in the power graph I thought, so if he's making such harsh demands on us it will be the same for the other teams.
Geo says:
We're best in powergraphs compared to the other teams i mean
Maki says:
good point. he finally replied and agreed we should give on CentEco so I guess I can count that as a vote for giving PlanNets too
Geo says:
Herc just posted in the turn thread as well. If you can get hold on him tell him about PlanNets
Geo says:
Woaw, Mart's online as well, and he's sharp!
Geo says:
2 votes for giving 2 techs then, Herc agrees for sure for 1 tech. What's your position?
Maki says:
I hate to give him anything more than cent eco, but we are -not- equipped for a war. and I wouldn't put it past the CMN's to have spiced Yng up with extra units....
Geo says:
Sure is. yang normally doesn't has synths by 2117. He -has- to got extra tech at the very least.
Geo says:
We're the spies, we got +2 probe, we can pull whatever trick we wish later. Patience is our virtue
Maki says:
Truth. I hope I can dance that probe around to infiltrate at least.
Geo says:
The eastern one is in a good starting position to go north as well. 1 tile west to avoid the FT and the fungus, and then north.
Maki says:
ok here goes with the bribing
Geo says:
Ok, just posted my 2 cents in the turn thread. Nothing new for you I'm afraid.
Maki says:
ok, done. and looking at the growth times, there's no way the scout could hit that tower and get back unless we used doctors
Geo says:
Thought so. It's always save to go to a FT with two military units anyway. And the stronger the FT, the more EC's we return IF we defeat it.
Maki says:
so we'll just be crossing our fingers for a while heh.
Geo says:
It's a game of chance sometimes... I love that!!
Geo says:
Mmm, no CMN online ATM.
Maki says:
think we have enough time to bring the probe near snowflake in to heal up before it heads N? it is only moving 1 tile /turn right now...
Geo says:
Unless Snowflake is lurking... A what? The eastern probe is damaged? Aw, I forgot he got near that Spore launcher earlier. Let's start to move the most western one as well then.
Geo says:
And let the damaged probe repair itself, yes.
Maki says:
should we pop the pods up by Yang just so he doesn't get them?
Geo says:
SURE AS HELL!!!
Geo says:
He bribes us, we tease him.
Maki says:
hee. ^^
Geo says:
Nobody else thought of goin' in MSN?
Maki says:
popped the forest one ad got a nut squre p
Maki says:
i guess not. or they don't have it?
Geo says:
Base site for the future!!
Maki says:
and circled the west one around the rocky square. which leaves us done. (moved the cp + escort out of KP already) and everyone's building formers - we're going to need a terraforming list.
Geo says:
Yeah, things are getting busy. 2 years to go and you're ready for retirement already [tease]
Maki says:
oh yeah i need to post about that later ^^
Maki says:
whoops forgot the screenshot!
Geo says:
And and 'pressend' save?
Geo says:
* an
Geo says:
*a
Maki says:
that i remembered, but i exited before the screenie lol
Geo says:
That doesn't matter ,you can open it again and make one then eh?
Maki says:
of course
Geo says:
Btw, must turnplay chats also be posted in our forum, or only diplo chats with other teams?
Maki says:
only diplo i itnhk, but feel free to post this so people can see what we were thinking
Geo says:
'Kay, I'll try to save it, is a good exercise for when the teams meet.
Geo says:
This is turn 2118 right?
Maki says:
2117
Geo says:
Ok. If the turn is done then I close up. Have to PM a bit now... See ya!

	24-07-2004 00:54									#41
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Wow. Keep up the good work!

	24-07-2004 01:05									#42
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About fungal towers.
How about taking them out later with high morale empath units? I remember a fungal tower giving like 70 energy. Artillery before - in order not to loose units.
It will have to wait though. Fungus may be dealt with forest, if moisture and winds are right forest will do the job instead of formers.

	24-07-2004 01:06									#43
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Great work. You did right.

	24-07-2004 01:32									#44
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Good point, Mart. And yes, FT can give 70 ec's, I remember that as well.

	24-07-2004 01:54									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Makahlua New base 'Snowflake's Haven' founded

	24-07-2004 02:37									#46
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You were missed

	24-07-2004 04:50									#47
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Everything looked handled quite well

	25-07-2004 23:02									#48
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Took a look at the turn.

I suggest rushing production of 2 formers (Snowflake's Haven and Enigma Machine). The Hive Synth hasn't moved, or failed to pop that pod under it. The Hive has founded a base just north of the synth. We can see the baseline.

Btw, discovered another canyon tile: the nut tile north of Enigma Machine. the Pholus Ridge is strangely shaped as well. Buster must have had a real pain constructing that part of the map... Anyone discovered the CanyonRidge tile next to Snowflake's Haven yet? Too bad it's covered with fungus.

	26-07-2004 00:12									#49
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We only have 13ecs, so can't rush both but we probably should rush the former at Enigma in order to get building a scout there for drone control.

Re the northern most probe (what is its agent number?), what do you think about moving it into the forest south west at 27,67 to see if it shows a land bridge from the 25,64 tile (with the pod). Our damaged probe should head west to get repaired and away fom the tower.

	26-07-2004 00:29									#50
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We can rush both formers with 12 ec's. 2 ec's in SH, 10 in EM (if my math is correct).

Your 000 (yes, the northern most ) proposal is fine with me, I thought the same. And he can pop that pod next to it the turn after.

101 (the limping one) is quickest repaired if he after reaching SH continues along the river to that Monolith next to EM.
There is still a small chance that a landbridge exists north of it's present position, but then we have an inland sea on our north.

O yes, name proposal for our next base: Kodycryptor, it sounds like 'codecryptor'...

Let's give Snowflake some competition...

	26-07-2004 01:04									#51
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Sorry boys, no land bridge in the east How many pods do we want to pop anyway? All the way back to our border? Just back to the bottleneck near the river? I got figures of 8 & 16 for the formers, so I only rushed Snowflake's. I'd actually started palnning some tasks for it :

quote: 2119 - move to 22,68 - road (2 turns) - so units can get from EM to Snowflake in one turn 2121 - move to 24,70 - road (1+2 turns) 2124 - move to 25,71 - road (1+2 turns) - these last 2 connect the 'lith nearby 2127 - move to 24,70 - farm, solar (? turns)

And the escort's detached from the CP and headed back to EM for immediate riot control, but will queue up a scout@EM after the former completes.

	26-07-2004 01:08									#52
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Here's the save, and PS - I'm naming that bay near the soon to be base 'Seraph's Wing Bay' (a seraphim is one of the ranks of angels. hee. ) Geo - I'll go for Kodycryptor, as long as you promise to name one Rock, Paper, Scissors later

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	26-07-2004 01:17									#53
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Aw, I only partially hurry production usually, then with 10 and 2 ec's the production was finished in both bases for the next turn. The difference is that no minerals flow over for the next production then... *shrugs*

How do you intend to move 111? Back southeast towards our bases and trying north on that black peninsula in the east, or going towards 000?

About the pod popping. For now I suggest all the ones on the peninsula 000 is roaming, and then checking if that Synth is still blocking.

I'll check your former proposals shortly. Personally, I'm in favour of foresting the canyon for the +1 mineral it gives us with shorter former time (at least, if 24.70 is a canyon tile).

on the bay name, and RockPaperScissors is a promise!

	26-07-2004 01:27									#54
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Yes, former proposals look ok, the ridge will give us +3 energy once 24.70 is terraformed. Why not first terraform 24.70 completely before moving on to 25.71?

	26-07-2004 01:31									#55
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Geo: [quote[We can rush both formers with 12 ec's. 2 ec's in SH, 10 in EM (if my math is correct).[/quote]

Ah, yes, A misunderstanding. You meant we could make partial payments of 2 ecs and 10ecs to complete the builds; rather than rush.

	26-07-2004 01:43									#56
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I propose rushing (partial paying ) it in EM for sure next turn, since that base grows in 2 turns...

Btw, it seems that Morgans and Gaians have catched up with us in the power graph. Especially the Morgans are on the rise...

	26-07-2004 02:24									#57
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Re: the Terraforming - that's just from my beta version of orders; I hadn't finished it or gone back and tweaked it either, my bad And yes i see 'rush' and think full rush, oopsie

	26-07-2004 02:28									#58
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What all goes into building up one's rating in the power graph? If it's anything like CtP then we need more of a military, for one...

	26-07-2004 02:36									#59
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Mil. Units for sure, tech is quite important for the rating, and lastly population numbers. Anything else? SP's don't count in yet...

	26-07-2004 06:21									#60
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Some thoughts about rushing building items. The most expensive minerals to purchase are the first 10. The least expensive in case of units are usually (sometimes it is different in units, I noticed) last 5 minerals: 2 EC for 1 mineral. That is why I like to buy to the last mineral. Also even if there is 1 turn remaining to completion of the building item I rush it paying the lowest price (2:1) and next turn I already have all turn mineral production for the next item, in the area of most expenive rush buy. This way that next item will be ready sooner, also for cheaper rush buy. Any thoughts?