26-07-2004 12:38									#61
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It's working the other way around, interesting. Never tried (except by accident) to fully rush the last minerals. Any specific units that there is a 2:1 ration for the last 5 minerals?
For facilities it doesn't matter off course, the rush price is always on a 2:1 ratio.

	26-07-2004 13:25									#62
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Facilities are also more expensive early on, IIRC. And IIRC, there's a premium for one without any mins.

	26-07-2004 13:35									#63
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Sure, the first 10 minerals. I know. But what do you mean by a 'premium'?

	26-07-2004 17:31									#64
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IIRC, there's a quite large difference in rushing cost between 0 mins and 1 min. I'm not sure, it may just be the first 10 mins, but it always seems much more expensive when you've got no mins. Like double the cost or something?

	26-07-2004 18:45									#65
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Yes, that's correct. Hurrying before the first 10 minerals are in the pocket is rather insane...

	26-07-2004 20:08									#66
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maybe we should continue this in a special thread, like:
Strategy - production, rushing, etc.

	26-07-2004 23:48									#67
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Woot! Popped an AA from one of the pods near the Hive It'll take a while to get to Kodycryptor, but does have a clear route (might need to pop one of the pods in it's radius though.) KC is building formers, then a scout - using the 'lith those come out in 8, with 3 turns to spare before growth. also rushed 6ec worth of EM's former, making it complete in 2121.

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	26-07-2004 23:50									#68
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One more turn Geo and all this will be yours!

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	27-07-2004 01:23									#69
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Umm... strongly against using the AA to pop any pods... I've had times where my AA suddenly just vanishes... how likely are AAs? I think an AA pod popper vanishing only happens when it would have discovered another AA.

	27-07-2004 01:31									#70
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I think Maki meant popping the northen pod within Kodycryptor radius with a scout or something.

	27-07-2004 01:37									#71
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Ah. Good.

	27-07-2004 03:02									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Makahlua One more turn Geo and all this will be yours!

Good, 'till coming weekend I don't have to do long shifts.

O yes, what's the best format to post the screenshots? I've used .JPG in another thread, but it became a bit 'grayed' in that format.

I'm starting to wonder if that Hive Synth is 'locked' in position by Buster... It hasn't moved in 2 turns now.

	27-07-2004 03:11									#73
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It 's not obligatory to post screenshots, I could never do it.

	27-07-2004 06:00									#74
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I open SMAX, open Paint Shop Pro, then hit the print screen button, alt+tab to PSP and paste, do whatever editing (pic has to stay less than 800x800 for poly to take it as an attachment) and then exit PSP, than SMAX. Everything seems to come out just fine that mway

	27-07-2004 14:16									#75
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So you use .bmp files then to attach here?

	27-07-2004 16:28									#76
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Nope, he uses .jpg. Bitmap would be huge (even though I don't use dial-up anymore )

	27-07-2004 18:49									#77
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Yes I'd appreciate screenshots for the purpose of my writing for the history. I don't want to open the game files for every turn if possible.

	27-07-2004 19:08									#78
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Alright I have just had a look at the 2120 turn.

First Mr Yang's synth has gone out of sight.

Thinking about that pod north of Kody: I suggest we don't pop it until we are in a position to put a temporary goodie (like a network node) in the build queue at Kody.

We might want to think about using the AA to help contribute towards an early SP at Kody, rather than for discovering a tech. If so, our formers might want to edge their way in that direction terraforming as they go, with the Kody terraformer building road and forest in the direction of the pod so as to make the AA's last moves faster.

Its just possible to hurry the former in Kody but this leave our reserves low. Still industrial Economics in 2 years.

	27-07-2004 19:22									#79
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Best to keep our reserves low now we're in contact with Yang. He might decide to get some easy cash from us...

I'll check the turn shortly (after this post), but if the synth is out of sight perhaps moving 000 back east after popping the other pod on the peninsula

	28-07-2004 00:03									#80
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Ooops. I popped that one anyway. Got a nother 'lith though! EM's former is making a similar road between there and KP, They'll have a scout for MP in 2 turns, which will free up the indy scout to cover KP untill it has one. KC and SH should be on track for their probes as well - also have the probe positioned to pop the other far north pod next turn. It's all yours now, Geo

I guess so long and thanks for all the Xenofish?

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	28-07-2004 00:41									#81
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What do you mean so long.

Aren't you going to hang around and contribute your usual kinda off beat stuff

	28-07-2004 02:10									#82
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Yeah, I was just being silly

	28-07-2004 02:43									#83
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Popping the pod on the north may be dangerous for the alien artifact. How about moving it to the xenofungus on 24,52 before checking that pod. If there are mindworms on 24,52 then AA must withdraw, if not, popping mindworms from unity pod to the north is not dangerous. I think it is worth of the risk.
Pod might give mineral resuply enough to finish building in the nearest base. It would be better to have network node currently building there. Is there any possibility of doing so?

	28-07-2004 04:06									#84
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We just change the former to a network node and change it back to a former if no mineral output comes from the pod popping on 26.48. Do we want to take the risk that a random mw spawns on the fungus tile on 25.53? With our AA on the tile NW it's history then...

Ok, I gather then the next production for SH and KC is a probe, and then cp's. Else no R-P-S base Maki...

Anyone other opinions?

For now I'll navigate 111 around the pods on the northern part of Pholus Ridge towards the east, have EM and KP construct a new cp after their production is finished.
Any confirmation on Maki's proposed terraforming?

	28-07-2004 04:45									#85
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No I am not sure the next productions at SH and KC should be probes. I think another former and/or scout for drone control, maybe another CP. I am thinking formers can be traded in prior to IA, to help build an SP. Also our probes are surviving quite well out there.

	28-07-2004 04:53									#86
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I was thinking CP's as soon as the MP scouts got in place. untill we meet more people, we won't need more just yet, and could use the bases worse.

And I need to get cracking on the rest of those former orders!

	28-07-2004 11:18									#87
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I agree with Maki. Though I'm nervous about the Hive, Yang seems happy to simply bully us right now, so keep our resources low and try to grow as quickly as possible so that when we get closer to Yang with our northern border we have some decent defense techs thanks to all the extra bases and energy they've been putting out.

As far as the AA, it really depends on where we are when the SPs or Network Node are available for us to build at Kody (or somewhere) easily. I, personally, like extra tech, but being the Angels that might not be needed, but then again, early on, we don't get free techs that quickly, and miss early techs when we do start getting them.

	28-07-2004 11:26									#88
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder We just change the former to a network node and change it back to a former if no mineral output comes from the pod popping on 26.48.....

Geo, if I remember there is already accumulated more than 10 minerals. Half of the exceeding over 10 are lost during switch. That would be waste. I have another idea. Move probe unit to the east and wait 1 or 2 turns. Formers may be cheaply bought, but the way let it be build next turn - not to the full. This way if there are minerals in the pod - we get full price of network node (but that is optional). How about that?

	28-07-2004 11:39									#89
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash ... we have some decent defense....

Maybe we could "stole" a synthmetal unit, 1-2-1 is good for defence. It will be possible to build it as backengineered as I remember it is called.

	28-07-2004 11:48									#90
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Is reverse engineering allowed here? Just not with the probe teams, right?