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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:33
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Could we please have a defense plan right now! Lego can invade us in 5 turns, and we are not prepared
Start
- GoW has accepted the 3000 gold deal. (it shows in our treasury)
- RP sends 200 gold + WM. Send our WM. Can't send horses.
- We discover Mass production!Science set to Motorized Transportation, slider set to 90%. eta 4 turns. We're 2 turns ahead of Lego in science, not counting the electronics tree. (of which, I'm quite certain, Vox is researching SM)
- EotS builds rifle, starts rifle
- Cyclone builds worker, starts worker.
- D-ville builds destroyer. Starts transport (sub also an option, if our defense plan calls for that)
- Tempest builds rifle. Starts rifle
- Typhoon builds cathedral. Starts destroyer
- Arashi builds rifle. Starts rifle.
- Blizzard builds transport. Starts destroyer
- WoC builds cathedral. Starts harbor
- Sending combustion to GoW. Will send MP next turn.
- 7189 gold, 90%, 891 bpt, -257 gpt. (Mass prod in 1 of 4) 0/3360 beakers collected
tech cost
shortrushes
forces
(- 8 spear, 27 pikes, 8 knights, 8 cat, 12 MI, 2 galley)
- 35 workers (+1/turn)
- 0 settlers (+.2/turn)
- 34 rifle (+2.5/turn)
- 12 galleon
- 4 destroyer (+1.83/turn)
- 7 transports (+1/turn)
For the moment, I'm leaving the knights. If we don't go for cavs, I want to use them asap to rush stuff.
- Average in strength to GoW and to ND, weak to Lego
Moves
In general, the specific worker moves are not covered anymore, it gets too tedious. Only important stuff is mentioned.
- mine SA
- foresting D-ville 6, 69
in total, 6 more forests remain. Our workers are becoming obsolete, everything is done. Radio in ~9 turns, after which we'll convert them to radar towers
all our scouts which were forted, were put to sentry instead. I'll see next turn if that is the same for their line of sight (I assume so), so we might be able to detect movement.
- our Southern most galley auto-moves to Pica scout, to replace the galleon which is present there (saves 60 gold to use a galley as scout instead of the galleon).
- destroyer in Inchoff moves 3333 towards Lego's Horatio Nelson
- destroyer in D-ville automoves towards Inchoff.
workforce shuffles
- Cyclone set back to ideal pattern (needs this every turn).
- SS moves off desert, onto mountain
- Blizzard moves deserts
- SA takes desert instead of mountain
- D-ville takes mountain
- Elipolis moves off grass, takes coast
- Inchon moves onto grass from coast.
Current Builds
long term plans for our cities
Eli : hospital in 2 (PS later)
Inchon : aqua in 11
WoC : Harborin 1
Inchoff : market in 4
D-ville : transport in 2
Santa Ana : Battlefield Medicine in 5
Blizzard : destroyer in 4
Monsoon : destroyer in 2
Arashi : rifle in 2
WW : destroyer in 5
Tempest : rifle in 1
SS: settler in 1
Hurricane : transport in 1
OG : destroyer in 5
EotS : rifle in 1
Bolderberg : destroyer in 1
Cyclone: worker in 1
Tornado : destroyer in 1
Typhoon : destroyer in 3
Sufa : market in 92
Other
- the ND frigate Sudstern is on WW441, and looks to be forted.
- in F11, we're #3 in production at 692 Megatons. (last turn 665).
- Lego got a big score hit last turn. Did some of their lux-deals wore off? I didn't keep an eye on our happiness level (currently, we're 3rd, at 90%)
- Lego also has it's first visible metropolises: Dye fields and Kloreep.
- ND has given Mavdad to GoW (old news?)
Next Turn
- send MP to GoW. Possibly send MP to ND as well (can wait one more turn)
- irr Hurricane 3
- if I can use knights to rush things, use one in Hurricane (eta transport -1), one in WoC (either carrier in 2, or battleship in 2 (but this requires a shortrush to destroyer in 2 turns)
- without knight, forest WoC 23, shortrush to explorer, and build a carrier
Urgent questions!
1. Defense plan. Guys, this is becoming a drag to have to ask it all the time. Could someone please organize this? There have been quite a few useful remarks, some maps with valuable analysis, and several of our members interested in it, but we really need to have it going! In turn 225, Lego will discover the marines, and we are vunerable again. In 5 turns, we can be attacked! Please, let us stop assuming we're safe, and prepare for an invasion of our coast!
2. Our knights. Are we going to keep them and upgrade them to cavs (which is rather expensive for me, seeing that we can only use them for pillaging), or can I use them for rushes? WoC would be helped a lot by this: I can build 2-turn battleships and carriers there, or 1-turn subs, destroyers and transports. But only if I've got the knights to spend!
3. When do we want rubber from GoW? in 4 turns we've got tanks to build, and I'd like to mobilize then (if possible even before building units, by hacking into F1). Can we ask to get rubber on turn 224, so we can upgrade our units, and prepare for war?
4. When do we upgrade our obsolete units? We've got tons of pikes and spears, which could become rifles right now. They are our main defense!
5. When do you want me to change from rifles to arts? I prefer as late as possible, as in mob these will also be advantaged. But in case we've got enough rifles already, I want to change right now!
6. I'm half considering to build a commercial dock in Hurricane. It will cost us 160 shields, or 1.5 destroyer. It would add 7 commerce, or 21 bpt. The problem is that once we've got flight, the Colossus will cease to work...
DeepO
Last edited by DeepO on 19-07-2004 at 04:07
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:33
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Auto-quoting myself... there are a couple of questions that remain, which I would like to have solved before next turn. So let me start the discussion by giving my answers. Please comment when you can
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Originally posted by DeepO
Urgent questions!
1. Defense plan. Guys, this is becoming a drag to have to ask it all the time. Could someone please organize this? There have been quite a few useful remarks, some maps with valuable analysis, and several of our members interested in it, but we really need to have it going! In turn 225, Lego will discover the marines, and we are vunerable again. In 5 turns, we can be attacked! Please, let us stop assuming we're safe, and prepare for an invasion of our coast!
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okay, I'm not going to repeat it. Although I found CH's comments a bit harsh on T (we know he's having rl issues), they are correct though 
As nobody seems to volunteer, and I do understand it's busy for more people, there is no time to wait anymore. I'm going to spend most of my evening on this, and hope that someone will continue. I'm not a general, so don't expect miracles from me, but we simply cannot wait anymore. I'll get a basic land defense plan up in the next few hours.
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2. Our knights. Are we going to keep them and upgrade them to cavs (which is rather expensive for me, seeing that we can only use them for pillaging), or can I use them for rushes? WoC would be helped a lot by this: I can build 2-turn battleships and carriers there, or 1-turn subs, destroyers and transports. But only if I've got the knights to spend! |
My preferred solution here is: use the knights for rushes, forget the pillaging option. We'll be able to create explorers in quite a few cities (both Elipolis and Inchon will be near 20 spt in mob), these should be enough. The knights are more useful to make our biggest producers more efficient, without spending too much gold (I'm especially looking to Hurricane and WoC, to get our navy up and running fast)
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3. When do we want rubber from GoW? in 4 turns we've got tanks to build, and I'd like to mobilize then (if possible even before building units, by hacking into F1). Can we ask to get rubber on turn 224, so we can upgrade our units, and prepare for war? |
I would prefer to have rubber send to us accepted on turn 224. And let them know it's critical that they accept their offer before sending it to us, so I can mobilize at the end of turn 223, and set all our cities to appropriate WF to maximize our spt efficiency.
The only reason not to do it like that, would be if all our cities are still building destroyers or rifles, and we need extra defenders. But right now, we're looking at 42 rifles, 8 spears and 27 pikes in turn 224, or 77 defenders not counting guerilla. 40 for our homeland, 35 for Lego... sounds enough to me.
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4. When do we upgrade our obsolete units? We've got tons of pikes and spears, which could become rifles right now. They are our main defense! |
I'm in favor of upgrading them right now, so that the moment we upgrade to infs, we can have rifles protecting the mountains. It does come at a price: we won't pass Lego in power instantanously
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5. When do you want me to change from rifles to arts? I prefer as late as possible, as in mob these will also be advantaged. But in case we've got enough rifles already, I want to change right now! |
As said, I prefer to wait with building arts. I would want to upgrade our 8 cats, so we've got some kind of defense going. Also, I'm thinking of asking our cats back from RP, or asking them to build more cats for us. We'll definately need more of them when invading.
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6. I'm half considering to build a commercial dock in Hurricane. It will cost us 160 shields, or 1.5 destroyer. It would add 7 commerce, or 21 bpt. The problem is that once we've got flight, the Colossus will cease to work... |
I'm still thinking of this. Also Bolderberg could use one (also using lots of coast). However, we don't really have time to loose on the unit building... Even if I don't like it, I think it will be better to make sure we get to Lego before they've got tanks, and any delay in building our forces is unacceptable.
DeepO
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vmxa1
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Oviedo, Fl
Nov 2001
time: 21:33
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Originally posted by DeepO
"As nobody seems to volunteer, and I do understand it's busy for more people, there is no time to wait anymore. I'm going to spend most of my evening on this, and hope that someone will continue. I'm not a general, so don't expect miracles from me, but we simply cannot wait anymore. I'll get a basic land defense plan up in the next few hours."
Great Deepo, I suspect you are at least a one star General. I have never played a PBEM or MP Civ game, so I have zero experience at the warfare.
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2. Our knights."
I agree with you, no need to spend money on them.
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3. When do we want rubber from GoW?"
Agree
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4. When do we upgrade our obsolete units? We've got tons of pikes and spears, which could become rifles right now. They are our main defense!"
I am inclined to do it now as well. I am thinking that the idea that we will show too much power and tip anything to Lego is not convinving. I think it is at least as telling, if we do not upgrade. If
I am Lego, I wonder why they are not upgrading spears and pikes. The only reasons are lack of cash or trying to hide strength.
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5. When do you want me to change from rifles to arts?"
This is the hardest question of all. I always tend to go with more defenders, than more arties. This is because attackers have to kill the defender first.
"As said, I prefer to wait with building arts. I would want to upgrade our 8 cats, so we've got some kind of defense going. Also, I'm thinking of asking our cats back from RP, or asking them to build more cats for us. We'll definately need more of them when invading."
I would agree get the cats back.
We start refering to you as Atlas, as you have the world on your back.
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:33
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Originally posted by Cort Haus
Sorry, I regret being harsh, but I think it's also harsh to withdraw an offer without saying so.
DeepO, how do you feel about continuing/concluding the game as a PBEM? Or even seeing if the other teams want to wind this thing up as a DG. It just ain't happening, and I expect other teams are in a similar position. |
You're absolutely right, CH. I don't like it at all that this from time to time feels like a PBEM. I do what I can to involve more people, but sometimes it doesn't feel like I'm the player, but that I'm a dictator of sorts, who makes most decisions as well.
I've tried to get things a bit organized by asking for someone who would take over diplomacy, and for a general to step up and organize warfare (as we're getting very close to being at war, both offensively and defensively). It's not that I don't like those tasks, it's just that I've got my hands full already... taking more responsibilities will lead to burn-out, which already is too close.
It's a shame that this game is ending like that. I can imagine that the past 40-odd turns there was not that much interest in this game, with the slow economical buildup. But I hoped that with the coming war, interest would pick up again. It doesn't look like that
DeepO
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:33
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Originally posted by vmxa1
Great Deepo, I suspect you are at least a one star General. I have never played a PBEM or MP Civ game, so I have zero experience at the warfare.
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That's the problem... I have one half finished PBEM experience, in which I lost the only war to Nathan... and that one was fought with spears and warrior chariots.
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4. When do we upgrade our obsolete units? We've got tons of pikes and spears, which could become rifles right now. They are our main defense!"
I am inclined to do it now as well. I am thinking that the idea that we will show too much power and tip anything to Lego is not convinving. I think it is at least as telling, if we do not upgrade. If
I am Lego, I wonder why they are not upgrading spears and pikes. The only reasons are lack of cash or trying to hide strength. |
agree. If nobody objects, I'll start on it next turn
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5. When do you want me to change from rifles to arts?"
This is the hardest question of all. I always tend to go with more defenders, than more arties. This is because attackers have to kill the defender first. |
The question then becomes how many defenders we need, and how much are we willing to risk while we're off fighting a war somewhere else. Can we leave Stormia with only 2-2.5 infs per city...
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I would agree get the cats back. |
Our original cats were captured by GoW, so these are lost. However, RP has build a couple extras... we could ask for them to give them to us. Diplomatically, it won't be the best solution, though, it attacks their sovereignity
DeepO
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19-07-2004 02:48
no time for me right now. In a week, my wife will be away for a month, so maybe some more time then, but now....
but at times I wonder if the DG concept is a viable project in practice.
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