19-07-2004 05:12									#1
	War With Latin Lover: Decision Time Support Apolyton

Edit: Remember, you have 15 days to vote. No need to be hasty.

I think we can agree we want to take our best shot at Leo's (and we're already doing just that in Egg Roll).

But there are other things to consider if we're going to invade. We need to shut down research so we actually have some money for massive upgrades. We need to buy Mono and then Chiv in 20 or so turns. In short, I think we need to decide in 5 or so turns.

Cranking the Horsemen out should be no problem. We have 2-turn horses in Buffet now and are about to start 5-turn horses in Char Shu. And cities like Chop Suey and Wonton can crank horses fairly fast if we move them back off infrastructure builds. It's money that will be the bottleneck, I think.

I'll leave the feasibility analysis to those more warmonger-minded.

	19-07-2004 19:05									#2
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Two things.

1. We can't attack alone, we'ld need MAST first on board first.

2. We don't need all the horses before Chiv. Cutting Iron is perfectly feasible.

We already have trades set up for Mono and chiv, though, right?

So the 20 turns would be straight gold. I'ld put priority: Muskets, Trebuchets, Riders as far as how to upgrade.

Defense first. If we're going into this solo, let's make the SOD from hell.

What's the possibility of a cheezy blockade of the coast on our little island?

	19-07-2004 21:46									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

We don't have Mono or Chiv trades set up. Can someone get with Sunshine on Mono, since it sounds like we want to buy from them?

	19-07-2004 21:56									#4
	Inflate your Upload Space

Alright, what the HELL happened?

Here: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...343#post2877343

We had set up trades with Sunshine: Feudalism and contacts for Monotheism.

We've given our portion of this, yes?

Later we discuss trade of Invention for THEOLOGY.

Also, we gave Feudalism to MAST for Chivalry Later, correct?

	20-07-2004 02:30									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Ah... sorry, I lost track of that.

I suggest we talk to Sunshine about Mono, then.

	22-07-2004 04:34									#6
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Two things. 1. We can't attack alone, we'ld need MAST first on board first.

Yep.

quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx So the 20 turns would be straight gold. I'ld put priority: Muskets, Trebuchets, Riders as far as how to upgrade.

No Trebuchets are available; all we'll have is cats.

quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx What's the possibility of a cheezy blockade of the coast on our little island?

? I'm not sure what you mean by blockade. You mean stationing units on all landable tiles to keep LL out?

	22-07-2004 18:25									#7
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

PTW, PTW, PTW
Catapults are fine.

Yeah, stationing units.

I personally detest it and am ashamed for even suggesting.

	22-07-2004 19:36									#8
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I'm not sure what the other teams think about it. Personally, I always accepted it as an available tactic, but it is a little odd that even a worker can stop a massive army from landing.

As for the feasibility: We could block Japan, sure; it's a question of whether we'd want to spare the units necessary. We could probably throw in a few workers to help, but I think most of it would need to be military.

	22-07-2004 19:37									#9
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I don't think we need to do a full island blockade. If they have the forces to spare to send a fleet up to Japan that we can't fend off with just some defensive units, then we clearly aren't running the war properly. That said, we should ferry some Pikes over and get a barracks up on the island.

	23-07-2004 17:45									#10
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Probably right, Zargon.

Just the last time I looked at the save there was like only 2 warriors on that isle.

	23-07-2004 21:02									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

So would the answer to war be yes? If so, I guess I need to start wrapping up the infrastructure builds sometime soon.

	23-07-2004 23:32									#13
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

To war.

I don't really care who.

	02-08-2004 18:57									#14
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Lets just kill someone already.