29-07-2004 07:34									#391
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* reismark brings Japher out of his hiding place

Shall I hold him for you, Imran?

	29-07-2004 09:02									#392
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Yes, do so Reis .

Btw, I probably should post what Kaliu's BAPAY pick would be if he doesn't show by 8:00 AM tomorrow.

It'll be "New England" Team Defense

If Kalius gets BAPAYed, he'll have until Dissident picks to change it.

I have Sloww's pick

	29-07-2004 09:22									#393
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Oh, and I'm leaving a list with Zopperoni. I'll be back on Sunday .

	29-07-2004 12:54									#394
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1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)

No one in their right mind would take a Bear, so he can't have gone.

	29-07-2004 12:58									#395
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Thomas Jones was taken in the third

Sloww is up!

	29-07-2004 17:11									#396
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bump...

gone for 12 hours and no movement?

	29-07-2004 17:43									#397
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Of course, Slow is up

	29-07-2004 18:06									#398
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Sloww's pick!

1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)

Tubers is up.

	29-07-2004 18:57									#399
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I pick Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)

1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)
5.04 Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)

Japher is up!

ACK!

	29-07-2004 20:50									#400
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* reismark punts this thread back up to the top

	29-07-2004 20:56									#401
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I'll take C. Chambers, WR, MIA

	29-07-2004 21:05									#402
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Stop wasting time, man. I gotta think about this one a lot more than I've thought about the others...

	29-07-2004 21:13									#403
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Hold on, Reis, I need to clear my throat here:

JAPHER, CHRIS CHAMBERS IS ALREADY TAKEN!

	29-07-2004 21:15									#404
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Give me a few...

	29-07-2004 21:28									#405
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Japher, you hoser.

	29-07-2004 22:01									#406
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Let me know if I missed something, I can't believe he hasn't been taken.

I'll take Amani Toomer, WR, NYG just so I can say [Ahnold voice]It's not a Toomer[/Ahnold voice]


1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)
5.04 Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)
5.05 Amani Toomer, WR (NYG)

reismark's turn

too bad McCardell is being a money whore... he's almost worth risking the pick.

	29-07-2004 22:20									#407
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I suppose you couldn't believe Barlow was there at #5, could you?

In the 40+ mock drafts I participated in, Toomer went in 7-9

	29-07-2004 22:22									#408
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You and your stupid experience... I thought I found a diamond only to find that it is actually coal

	29-07-2004 22:37									#409
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Sit tight, guys... this one is gonna take a while. This one pretty much determines how the rest of this draft unfolds, so I need a few hours at least to think things over and maybe get some advice.

	29-07-2004 22:37									#410
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Sheesh...

	29-07-2004 22:47									#411
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BAPAY!!!

	29-07-2004 22:49									#412
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wow, talk about taking a draft seriously!

	29-07-2004 23:03									#413
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Nah, just poor preparation

	29-07-2004 23:09									#414
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Nah, just poor preparation

No, just too many damn options. There's four players at four different positions I could take right now and have a legitimate reason for doing so.

Though it may not take me as long as I thought to decide. I may have a pick within the hour.

	29-07-2004 23:12									#415
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Let me guess, two of those four are Garner and Heap?

	29-07-2004 23:24									#416
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Four positions???

Let's see... Needs QB, TE, and Defense. Gets the pick of leftovers at QB, but there's some quality there. Can have the #2 TE or the top projected Defense. Certainly couldn't be considering Vanderjagt -- I give reis much more credit than that. So the 4th must be a reserve that he values over the missing starters...?

Hmmm.... We wait with bated breath...

	30-07-2004 00:07									#417
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Well, I've decided my need for a quality QB wins out. I think this guy could've possibly made it back to me next round, but I don't want to take that chance.

Tom Brady, QB (NE)

The other three players I was considering were Heap, Garner (as a Bucs fan, it's extremely painful for me to pass on him) and Darrell Jackson, who I can't believe is STILL on the board when I had him rated higher than Boldin. (I wasn't drafting him as a second starter for bye week reasons, but I'd gladly take him as a reserve. Not gonna get that chance now, though.)

I also considered Bulger and Pennington at QB, but Bulger's INTs, Pennington's injury history and both guys' OL issues scared me off.

1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)
5.04 Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)
5.05 Amani Toomer, WR (NYG)
5.06 Tom Brady, QB (NE)

Zop is up!

	30-07-2004 00:16									#418
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glad that's over...

Thanks for sharing your thought process, reismark. It's starting to get very interesting. (And I think one or two of your wishlist guys might actually sneak back through to you.) Don't know that Brady would've, though...

	30-07-2004 00:19									#419
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quote: Darrell Jackson, who I can't believe is STILL on the board when I had him rated higher than Boldin

I didn't

Actually, they were about even in my book. Mostly because I have high hopes for Boldin, still being young as he is. I would of taken Darrell Jackson, but I don't want too many players on one team (I gots Hasselbeck), and I think Toomer will give me consistant enough play to make me happy.

Good pick by the way

	30-07-2004 00:24									#420
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am I up yet? this has to be the longest in between picks . and...