27-07-2004 04:45									#331
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is it my pick yet?

	27-07-2004 04:49									#332
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quote: I neglect my punter.

Best job in the world, IMO. Make around 100k to travel and kick a little ball every now and then... Oh, and if your team is good, to do nothing but load up on gatorade!

It is Berz's turn... Still

	27-07-2004 04:56									#333
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1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre

	27-07-2004 05:50									#334
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Both targeted QBs go right before me.
Next on my list is a #2 RB. Somebody had to do it...

1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08
4.07
4.06
4.05
4.04
4.03
4.02
4.01

Dissident is on the clock.

	27-07-2004 06:35									#335
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Tiki!

I never cared for him.

	27-07-2004 06:35									#336
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Hehe... actually I was thinking of taking Tiki when I took Bennett. We just rip on Tiki because Sloww took him in the 1st round of a draft he was in last year.

quote: is it my pick yet?

Now it is .

	27-07-2004 07:07									#337
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sorry I'm taking so long. this decision for a WR is taking longer than I thought . There are a few... uncertanties.

	27-07-2004 07:19									#338
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Joe Horn WR NO Saints 1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks 2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat 3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers 4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers 5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men 6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks 7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros 8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers 9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies 10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers 11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders 12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus 1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC) 1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD) 1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND) 1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB) 1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF) 1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA) 1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO) 1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND) 1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS) 1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL) 1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN) 1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN) 2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC) 2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF) 2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND) 2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL) 2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL) 2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU) 2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI) 2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA) 2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR) 2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN) 2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE) 2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI) 3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN) 3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL) 3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR) 3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC) 3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI) 3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN) 3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT) 3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI) 3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ) 3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI) 3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN) 3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL) 4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN) 4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC) 4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB) 4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG) 4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS) 4.07 4.06 4.05 4.04 4.03 4.02 4.01 Zopp is on the clock

	27-07-2004 07:55									#339
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There are enough strong wideouts that it's hard to go too far wrong. Horn should be good -- a TD target.

It was pretty funny watching Tiki get passed on by everyone. But at the 40th pick overall, he brings a lot of value.

	27-07-2004 09:29									#340
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident TE's suck. And I think Gonzo was a mistake, but that's my opinion. His prodution dropped last year if I'm not mistaken.

You're wrong:

2002 Kansas City Chiefs Rec. 63, Yds 773, TDs 7
2003 Kansas City Chiefs Rec. 71, Yds 916, TDs 10


In 2000 he had a monster year with 93 rec and 1200 yds. and 9 TDs.

I picked him because there are slim pickings at TE:

Shockey? Injury prone
Heap? Plays for Baltimore
Winslow Jr.? Unknown

The only other possibility is Jason Whitten in Dallas, he came on strong in the second half of the season last year.

ACK!

	27-07-2004 11:01									#341
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The Afros will try to fit a wig onto the head of Washington Redskins wideout Laveranues Coles.

1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06
4.05
4.04
4.03
4.02
4.01

Reismark is on the clock!

	27-07-2004 12:07									#342
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quote: It was pretty funny watching Tiki get passed on by everyone. But at the 40th pick overall, he brings a lot of value.

We have negative points in this league so all his fumbles could cost you points

	27-07-2004 14:15									#343
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quote: The only other possibility is Jason Whitten in Dallas, he came on strong in the second half of the season last year.

How about Antonio Gates in San Diego? Look at SD's WRs, and when you stop giggling tell me who apart from LT they have to pass to

	27-07-2004 15:59									#344
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker We have negative points in this league so all his fumbles could cost you points

If he gets his typical 1200 yds and 60 catches, he can drop a few. Daunte Culpepper had 16 fumbles last year, losing 6, and I doubt ppl were scared of him.
Also, Coughlin has been drilling Tiki in all the minicamps on a better way to grip the ball. So the problem is recognized, film-studied, and being corrected.

For my #2 back (and #15 in the Yahoo O-rank FWIW), he's WAY better than the remaining alternatives.

	27-07-2004 16:43									#345
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Kalius, shhhhh... Stop giving people valuable information...

	27-07-2004 16:56									#346
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Damn you, Zop! Coles was mine, you little nitwit!

I'll let it slide, though, since you actually spelled his name correctly (unlike certain *other* individuals), negating the need for me to give a spelling lesson.

Let's see... hmm...

	27-07-2004 17:27									#347
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Imran has my picks, so no whining.

	27-07-2004 18:54									#348
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This must be a tough pick for reismark. It's been almost 2 hours .

	27-07-2004 19:28									#349
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This might be a bit of a reach, but if it works out, I essentially have two #1 guys. Besides, I doubt he'll make it back to me again.

Peerless Price, WR Atlanta Falcons

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05
4.04
4.03
4.02
4.01

	27-07-2004 20:13									#350
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quote: This might be a bit of a reach, but if it works out, I essentially have two #1 guys. Besides, I doubt he'll make it back to me again. Peerless Price, WR Atlanta Falcons

I've been reaching the whole draft, and I ain't about to stop. Here's hoping he still has one leg left to stand on, or he's taking some designer drugs:

Curtis Martin, RB, NYJ

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04
4.03
4.02
4.01

Tuberski's up

	27-07-2004 20:38									#351
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We could copy and paste the entire draft list instead of just the round .

	27-07-2004 21:10									#352
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Because Imran is to lazy to scroll

1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04
4.03
4.02
4.01

	27-07-2004 21:13									#353
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I've been reaching the whole draft, and I ain't about to stop.

Oh, I wouldn't say that... Barlow's been your only real reach so far, and then only by one round (if you'd drafted him in Round 2 I wouldn't call it a reach).

And even then... NO WAY Price makes it back to me.

*looks for confirmation from Japher and the four others*

	27-07-2004 21:19									#354
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Price is good, not much of a reach. A leading receiver on a team with a great QB who was out much of last season and got stuck with a has-been/never-was... If Vick stays healthy this season Price could see some really good numbers... If Vick gets hurt, Ty Detmer has shown promise in the past. So, who knows. At this point I think any starter is a good pick... Yet, still, my #2 WR is someone no one will pick. I guess he'll have to be that way. I am just trying to keep a team so that I don't fall apart during a bye week.

	27-07-2004 21:33									#355
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Actually, looking over the draft, I do think, Reis that Price may have made it back to you. There are about 3-4 WRs on the board that I have equal to him.

	27-07-2004 23:43									#356
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I dunno... the four teams with the next eight picks have two total WRs between them so I'm fully expecting a run on WRs now, and I don't think Price would have survived that (the only two I had ahead of Price were Darrell Jackson and Amani Toomer, and I wasn't drafting those two for various and/or obvious reasons).

	27-07-2004 23:45									#357
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I am still waiting on the TE run.

	27-07-2004 23:47									#358
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Don't hold your breath.

	28-07-2004 00:01									#359
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ok then. DEF??

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Billy's Boingers select Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)


1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovab NcNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (Buf)
4.03
4.02
4.01

ACK!