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Now now Curt, lets not start up the old debate on whether a swallow can carry a coconut with its feet or now. And while we're at it lets keep the "Your mother was a hamster" insults to a minimum.

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FRENCH GUARD:
Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person.
I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English k-nnnnniggets. Thpppppt! Thppt! Thppt!


GALAHAD:
What a strange person.

This should be in the events!

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Gareth, the only units left that I see that could use your touch are the Light Cavalry (emphasis on the bow), the Feudal Horse (both of these are good, so only if you really have the urge to do a better one . . .), the Peasant, the shields on the Italian and Fatamids Host units, and if you really want to take a shot at the Assassin, then go ahead. If you must do some of the others, I'll certainly not turn 'em down, but Bebro's graphics are very good for barbarians, etc.


OK Phenix, nearly done. The Venetian with shield, a Seljuk Turk, a Cuman and the feudal horse I did before. I tried to make the latter 11th Century in apearance as opposed to the late 12th/early 13th century knights as I was guessing that he is an earlier unit. If this isn't the case, and you want him dressed in the same style as the other knights, then let me know.

What's the civ colour for the Fatamids, so I can draw a shield (my guess is green)?

The peasant is work in progress as are some Vikings without horned helmets Vikings didn't have horned helmets. Ever. That Tony Curtis / Kirk Douglas film has a lot to answer for These will be completed Today.

The assassin is a new one since the last units file you sent. Is he Western, Middle-Eastern or generic?

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Kirk Douglas wore horns in Spartacus?

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Vikings didn't have horned helmets. Ever.
I never realized that. That's some misconception!

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Gareth, I just sent you the files you need to look at and now I see the new peasant is here. lol.

I'll put it in place.

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Gareth, I just sent you the files you need to look at and now I see the new peasant is here. lol.

I'll put it in place.


Got the files, thanks mate. No sweat, I'm going to tinker with the units anyway

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I never realized that. That's some misconception!


representations of Norse Gods in Scandinavian art showed them with winged helmets, which is where the 'horned' helmets come from. The Vikings themselves wore the same type of helmet as everybody else at the time: the conical Spangenhelm (without horns )

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Well, Ok.

But I really had my heart set on those horned helms.

I know that if I was a viking, I'd want horns on MY helm.

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If your going to put in Curts line then you have to put in this line.... quite possibly the greatest French insult of all time.

"Your mother was a hamster. and your father smelt of elderberries"

(Even more Python)

Anyways, we've gotten quite a good look at the units up until now Exile, do you have anything to show us in regards to city styles and icons? Just a sneak peak maybe?

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Units are done and in the mail Phenix

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I know that if I was a viking, I'd want horns on MY helm.


...untill you accidently stabbed the viking sitting next to you in the longboat with them

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Wonderful units as always Fairline. Nice to see some Vikings too.

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Wow!

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This is going to be very nice.

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What kind of techs are researchable I wonder?

This era was not strictly one of discovery, but it will be nice to get those monks and wise men doing something!

1870 had an amazing tech spread, and knowing Exile's attention to detail in this regard:

I have high hopes for this scenario!

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It's a typically dense tree, with several immediate pathways to rewarding techs, but the paradigm is at 4x and it's not a giga map, so tech won't be impossible to acquire, but difficult. The tree itself branches in some unexpected directions. The medieval period wasn't about the development of warfare. Phillipe Contamine's War in the Middle Ages makes clear the fact that warfare didn't change much. The same old Roman siege engine were employed by medieval armies. There are a lot of unit types in the scenario, but very few unit types will appear in the pedia. The layperson tends to think of knights and crusades when considering the Middle Ages, but the advancements made fell outside the realm of war.

Much of the surviving histories of the period detail the political events; wars, treaties, dynastic partitions, papal-emperor squabbles, and lots and lots of religious rhetoric. This is all pertinent, but there is much more lurking beneath this glittering surface.

The real issue during the medieval period was demographic. The classical world, eventually run by the Romans, topped out at around 45 million. During the crisis centuries, 5-8, the population of the Mediterranean basin dropped to about 23 million. The spectacular aspect of the medieval period is that, starting at about where this scenario starts, a demographic boom began to take place in the European region of the Mediterranean basin, and the greatest increases seem to have occurred on the north European plain (France & Germany), Scandinavia, and the British Isles. The population peaked in the 13th and 14th centuries at about 80 million. For all the talk in the contemporary literature about being "blessed by god," the real reason for Europe's resurgence, the reconquista, the crusades, the seizure of lower Italy and Sicily, the rise of Italian seapower, was simple population--there were more soldiers.

There are several categories of techs. There are quite a few "peasant" techs involving agriculture. There are quite a few nautical techs. There are several techs that lead to the Feudal States [The Republic] tech.

And then there was Prester John.

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I look forward to seeking out his mythical kingdom in the East!

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And then there was Prester John.


Stop taunting me!

I'm already eager enough to see this scen!

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The files are zipped and ready to go.

I'm only awaiting the go-ahead from the guys at the Spanish Civ2 site.

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Excellent work Phenix This is going to be a classic.

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Woohoo!

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All 3 files have been sent to the Spanish Civ2 site, so the scenario should be available very soon. Enjoy. If there are other sites that are interested, get in touch w/me via PM.

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Out of interest Phenix, how long does it take you to produce a scenario?

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I'm not sure that I can reduce it to a specific time period, Case. There is usually an intense period lasting a few weeks wherein almost every waking minute is spent adjusting, adding things, and then tweaking. Then there is usually a lax period following that is also a few weeks where I play it every day at least once to try to ferret out problems and solve them. This might go on for awhile actually, especially if I tweak anything at all. It's only when I stop tweaking things for about a week that I finally decide to let it out.

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Already available. Congratulations exile, you've created a really good scenario.

Just a think: you should change this text in GAME.TXT

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International Incident! %STRING1 declare war on %STRING0 over the catastrophe!

"International incident" doesn't sound like a XI Century diplomatic language

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I must've changed well over a hundred messages in the various text files. How did you get this one to come up? What did you do with the diplo unit?

I thought that this message only applied to spy-nuking a city.

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Heading to SCS to download this one right now...

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I must've changed well over a hundred messages in the various text files. How did you get this one to come up? What did you do with the diplo unit?


Don't even ask

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I thought that this message only applied to spy-nuking a city.


I just stole a tech from my frank allies. I don't know why they got so angry

Spy-nuking cities provokes this one:

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@PLANTEDNUKE2 @width=320 @title=Nuclear Terrorism! Nuclear explosion in %STRING0! %STRING1 agents caught red-handed moments before blast! Major International Incident--All nations declare war on %STRING2!

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Perhaps the nuke explosion can be called the 'wrath of god' or something?



PS
In the @HISTORIANS and @HISTORYRANK, is 'glorius' a typo or cod medieval speak?

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Perhaps the nuke explosion can be called the 'wrath of god' or something?


That's not neccessary, there are no nukes in this scenario so the text won't appear.

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I'd bet it's a typo.

 
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