23-08-2004 16:04									#121
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yea! nice sceanrio- i am playing it for an hour or so yet. It is really fun!

But as you said in your readme it is really hard to defend your conquered citys with the small amount of defending units you have from the beginning on.

I am just wondering if the almoravids unit counts as a barbarian "host" unit? As my vet host unit doesn´t have a chance to kick this guy out of my city.

Congratulations on this fabulous work, Mr. Exile!

	23-08-2004 18:55									#122
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Yep - I am playing as the Germans, liberating as much gold via trade as I can.
In the name of god of course, yes that's it.

The evil Byzantines killed my great travel man.

They will pay!

I am hoping there is some kind of tank at the end of the research tree!

	23-08-2004 21:35									#123
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More of a fella on a horse than a tank. He's a pretty hard geezer on a horse, mind you

	23-08-2004 21:42									#124
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It's not John Wayne, surely?

	24-08-2004 01:28									#125
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1. It's not a typo. really. honestly.

2. Yes, the Almoravids and Almohades ARE host units. I had to make them very powerful in order to enable them to seize cities, as the AI isn't very discriminating about when to throw its units at cities.

3. There is no tank at the end of the tech tree.

	24-08-2004 02:51									#126
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quote: 2. Yes, the Almoravids and Almohades ARE host units. I had to make them very powerful in order to enable them to seize cities, as the AI isn't very discriminating about when to throw its units at cities.

They are really powerful. The only way to conquer their cities (when they seize them) is bribing them (fortunately, it's quite cheap).

	24-08-2004 03:01									#127
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Look at the readme file. It's against the rules to bribe either the Almoravids or Almohades. If they take a city, you'll just have to build siege units to pound on them for awhile before you scoop them out. Bribing enemy host units makes the scen too easy.

	24-08-2004 03:04									#128
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quote: Look at the readme file. It's against the rules to bribe either the Almoravids or Almohades. If they take a city, you'll just have to build siege units to pound on them for awhile before you scoop them out. Bribing enemy host units makes the scen too easy.

Sh*t. I should have read it. I still don't have siege units anyway, so I suppose I'll have to wait

	24-08-2004 03:04									#129
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I notice the AI takes a dim view of bribing too.

I subverted the Byzantine-captured Ravenna and the Greeks declared all out war on me!

Well! - If this fight was set some 880 years later, they would cower from my Stukas!

	24-08-2004 05:20									#130
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stukas...

damn i didnt continue reading house rules as I thought there were just existing for MP. Damn! I liked bribing the Italian host unit for just 500

The barbarian host just went away from its own and commited suicide by trying to fight my men at arms (do you know he-man anyways...?)

	24-08-2004 05:45									#131
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I just defeated the Byzantine emperor as he tried to take back Ravenna!

Take that, you arrogant remnant of Roman glory!

This scen is superb fun!



PS
Do the hosts really need that 'F' for Frank, etc?
Is that unit terminology for events purposes?

	24-08-2004 09:28									#132
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Yes.

	25-08-2004 02:31									#133
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I played a couple of turns last night as the Germans. Im taking the long term approach as you suggested in the player notes and am slowly but surely building to a take over of Hungary as my first big event.

One comment on asthetics. maybe its because of my laptop but I felt the color of the German cities was too dark and belnded into the background too much.

Thats just mho.

	25-08-2004 03:39									#134
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I was right, this is a classic. It's the most innovative MGE scenario in years; the concept of the all-powerful host unit and difficulty in building other military units utterly changes gameplay and gives a far greater sense of realism. Superb

	25-08-2004 03:47									#135
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Indeed!

I found my hosts demanding double wages as they were required to run
around the map, dealing with one crisis, and then off to another as it developed!

PS
The attacks by the evil steppes warriors from over the Urals are truly intimidating as time progresses!

A truly great scenario.

	25-08-2004 12:05									#136
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Con, I know exactly what you mean. I was hesitant about going with the same grey on the city letters as is on the flag, as anyone can see with AoI. Yellow works better and is more visible. But this time I decided to go with the consistent grey and see where the chips fall. I've gotten used to it by now. Only thing I can suggest is to maybe adjust your contrast a little. May help.

Gareth, thanks. I was going for a new approach. I'll see how it works when other people play it. I've been reading all these fictional stories lately by R. E. Howard about conquering empires in the east during the middle ages. He first published these stories in the early 30s in a pulp magazine of the period Oriental Stories. They are all historical in setting with evocative names like "Lord of Samarkand," and "Lion of Tiberius," and "Sowers of the Thunder." They are great stuff, literal pulp fiction about Turkic and Persian empire-builders, replete with detailed battles, intrigue, brawling, drunkeness, casual violence, and lots of period-sounding lexicon. Inspired at least partly by this stuff, I tried to create a game that captured that feeling, the "feel" of empire-building. At the same time, this scen could be one wild game with all humans playing it. Could get real colorful, real quick.

Curt, lol. Thanks and glad you like it.

	25-08-2004 18:08									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Exile Con, I know exactly what you mean. I was hesitant about going with the same grey on the city letters as is on the flag, as anyone can see with AoI. Yellow works better and is more visible. But this time I decided to go with the consistent grey and see where the chips fall. I've gotten used to it by now. Only thing I can suggest is to maybe adjust your contrast a little. May help.

Fair enough, and I should have known you already took a look at it Exile

Actually I have gotten used to it, Im going to play a few turns an evening and let you know if anything else jumps out at me. Thanks for the Great Scenario.

Now if we could only find some people who would actually PBEM it and stick with it.

The PBEM forum is like a graveyard

	25-08-2004 21:50									#138
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Try CDG.

	25-08-2004 21:55									#139
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quote: Originally posted by fairline Try CDG.

Im in three there right now. Thats the last bastion as far as I know for CIV2 PBEM.

Is anyone here who has been interested in this one interested in PBEMing it?

	01-09-2004 03:16									#140
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Can someone gimme the link to that thing that converted mge scns to fw ones?
(such thing existed, right?)

	01-09-2004 03:16									#141
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Oh, and the units are very very very nice

	01-09-2004 04:10									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Oh, and the units are very very very nice

Ditto

	01-09-2004 16:51									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Can someone gimme the link to that thing that converted mge scns to fw ones? (such thing existed, right?)

Here: http://sleague.apolyton.net/Files/mgeconve.zip

	01-09-2004 17:11									#144
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Thank You!

	01-09-2004 17:21									#145
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OK. So now it says Error "-3" in module "12" data 24 something something

Help me!
Thanks

	01-09-2004 21:54									#146
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I think the events file is too big for FW (?). Try deleting events one by one til it's playable. Or buy MGE

	01-09-2004 21:58									#147
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OK. Let the author tell me which events I can delete.
Or delete them himself, and send me...
Or buy me a MGE

	01-09-2004 23:16									#148
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Just buy MGE. It only costs 10 bucks American.

	02-09-2004 00:34									#149
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Buy? You can get it over @ another well known civpage for free..

	02-09-2004 00:58									#150
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Oh, You're right.