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basically everyewhere you look
US= fascism, tortures, pain
Fighting, killing USA = democracy.
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Bosh
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Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
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Originally posted by paiktis22
oppressors = USA,fascists
USA supported the fascists (so they hate you) and communists supported the communists
so USA, fascists = the same
oppresor communists = opressor fascists/USA
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OK, while supporting the military dictatorship is something that is definately not to the US's credit, saying that that is the reason for anti-Americanism in Korea is profoundly ignorant. Of all the complaints I've heard about America in the last year not ONE has even so much as mentioned the military dictatorship.
And, sadly enough, the military dictatorship isn't nearly as unpopular as you think, the daughter of one of the old dictators is now head of the main opposition party and the main reason that she's head of it is because of the continued popularity of her father across much of the country.
In fact I think all your arguments are merely projecting Greece's experience on Korea, rather than any knowledge you may have.
I asked my gf (the paragon of beauty and reason that she is) why many Koreans are anti-American and she said:
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So Korean are jealous of power. I think we are a weak country, we need you're country's help actually.
Everyone doesn't like Bush, so maybe we don't like America. Especially after there was a Korean victim in the Iraq War. |
No mention of the old military dictatorship, when I asked her about that specifically, she said "maybe a little bit."
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the fact that they progressed is because they got rid of the american bakced fascists and the americans? |
You don't know even the basics of Korean history, do you?
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Of course. They knew I was US military. |
Where were you shopping? Please please don't tell me it was Itaewon, that's just asking to get ripped off.
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The vendors formed a huge cartel that amazingly held together, and none of them would budge when they could have made a great deal of profit in doing so. Must be a cultural thing. |
Bargaining works just fine on the veggie-venders in the market where I shop.
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you cannot deny that some of the girl groups are quite... talented... |
Well there was one girl group I saw performing while flipping through the channels and they weren't even bothering lip-syncing 
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Bosh
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Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
time: 00:34
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First of all, there would be no South Korea or North Korea. |
Right, because the North would've conquered the whole lot.
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Secondly, seeing that how North Korea had better quality of life all the way up till the mid-1970's, I don't see why not. |
Well things changed just a little bit after the mid-1970's. Do you think there was even a slightest chance for a communist Korea to have dulplicated the South's economic boom? I sure as hell don't.
Also keep in mind that the South was devestated more by the war and the North has far far far more useful natural resources than the South and vastly more industry was built there under Japanese occupation.
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Less money would be put into military and more into economic development. Also, there is no sign that a unified Korea wouldn't moderate, just like Vietnam and the PRC. |
Right, life would be better for the 1/3 of the Korean population in the North for those reasons. But life would've been much worse than the 2/3 of Koreans in the South.
I think that even without the destruction of the Korean war, Korean communism would've been a lot loonier than most forms of communism (even worse than Mao's idiocies probably). Just compare it to Cuba, which has had America breathing down its back to decades. Cuba is a model for Latin American literacy, health care etc. While in the North there is rampant meglomania and a form of communism (ÁÖü/Juche) which is Marxism perverted beyond beyond the wildest dreams of Stalin, to the point of combining all the worst qualites of communism and organized religion. Also from what I've heard from someone who's talked to many North Koreans who're working temporarily on the Chinese side of the border is that inequality of the sexes in the North is horrific. The list just goes on and on.
Even ignoring the especially wacky nature of Korean communism, the fact that North Korean communism was imposed from the outside rather than taking control due to its own popularity like in China and thus had less of a social base and the fact that reform probably would not have happened until the death of Kim Il Sung in 1994, which doesn't leave much time for reform to get much done, I very much doubt that Korea could've surpassed China's current $5,000 Per Capital PPP (which is five times N. Korea's), which is less than a third of South Korea.
Also, on my part, I've seen a good number of clips of North Korean kids and the robotic way in which they're forced to act just makes me shudder when I think of my students living under that kind of regime.
And finally, as has been said before its a bit surreal to blame the South and its allies refusal to let the North walk over them for the North's problems.
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