24-07-2004 07:48									#1
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I had an idea involving a METROPOLIS so I hope this may end up being possible!

Just looking is all!

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Gramps

	24-07-2004 09:14									#2
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I'm not sure about making them one community, but I would like to have the ability to subdivide my empire into provinces, states, territories, regions or whatever you want to call administrative zones. Have a 1 per region allowed improvement for the regional capital that reduces corruption somewhat and work in different advantages for numerous small regions and for a few large ones, and I think it would add some interesting possibilities.

	24-07-2004 18:11									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi I'm not sure about making them one community, but I would like to have the ability to subdivide my empire into provinces, states, territories, regions or whatever you want to call administrative zones. Have a 1 per region allowed improvement for the regional capital that reduces corruption somewhat and work in different advantages for numerous small regions and for a few large ones, and I think it would add some interesting possibilities.

Yes even that would be a start!

I was also thinking of the Z O C (Zone of Control) I mean for real, not that this game is "Reality" (I mean a little maybe) but say you have 50 cities and a small 4-7 tile area and the ai build there..



I would like it say if maybe, maybe it was possible if your controlled "BLANK" percentage of a territory a civilization couldnt build a city couldnt there...

Not to say if a civilization had 12 cities along a line you coulndt build to their south

JUST NOT within their already developed territory!

Encroachment I tell ya..

aint they ever heard of "Setbacks"....its right thar in the code book!!

	25-07-2004 01:41									#4
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I think Civ3 already gives plenty of mechanisms by which to keep those AI cities from popping up in the little hole in your territory, one being illustrated nicely by your attachment. Honestly, since I went to a tighter (C-x-x-C) city spacing as the norm, it hasn't been a problem. Besides, I don't want to introduce a system that's going to limit my settler encroachment on land near the AI borders in the early REX phase.

	25-07-2004 01:44									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi I think Civ3 already gives plenty of mechanisms by which to keep those AI cities from popping up in the little hole in your territory, one being illustrated nicely by your attachment. Honestly, since I went to a tighter (C-x-x-C) city spacing as the norm, it hasn't been a problem. Besides, I don't want to introduce a system that's going to limit my settler encroachment on land near the AI borders in the early REX phase.

Looks like what I'll end up doing as well!

Thanks for the input

Just the idea of "Incorporating"..like a city does for tax purposes..
ETJ

Extra Territorial Jurisdiction!!!

	26-07-2004 05:24									#6
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Why don´t take the city radious system from ctp2, where a city bigger than 20 had (let´s see... 21 plus...)oh, let´s say 30 squares in its radious... That really gave the metropolis aspéc t

	26-07-2004 05:35									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Bragelonne Why don´t take the city radious system from ctp2, where a city bigger than 20 had (let´s see... 21 plus...)oh, let´s say 30 squares in its radious... That really gave the metropolis aspéc t

Sure..Id just like it whereas when you have whatever the magic number is, maybe 3-5 cities and turn them into a metroplois and be able to rename it as such..much like a county or province..

Just an idea I would like to see

Grandpa Troll

	26-07-2004 09:51									#8
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I'd like to be able to fire on units that stray across the border without it being an act of war (as if straying in of itself isn't).

	26-07-2004 13:16									#9
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A country may have regions like this. But how is it when it comes to a civilization? It is not like if you decided how each region will decide to form. Just try to find out who decided that Muslims would be divided between Syria, Iraq, Iran and so on :P

	26-07-2004 17:32									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Trifna A country may have regions like this. But how is it when it comes to a civilization? It is not like if you decided how each region will decide to form. Just try to find out who decided that Muslims would be divided between Syria, Iraq, Iran and so on :P

Actually

In my civilization world, we have good little Muslims, not Terrorists just nice little fundamentilists that in the end live as co-existers with CHRISTIANS!!

Sappers however "UNABLE TO BUILD" so that we are back to Syria is a country Iraq a country

i mean its not like America is gonna absorb Mexico although we should or maybe even other way around if we keep sending jobs their way!

Ok back to what we were talking about..

	26-07-2004 19:26									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Trifna Just try to find out who decided that Muslims would be divided between Syria, Iraq, Iran and so on :P

Churchill did, IIRC, and pretty arbitrarily at that.

	27-07-2004 02:41									#12
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Actually, T.E. Lawrence teaches that Muslim people are so different among themselves and since they keep continuosly fighting, there was a NEED to separate Muslim wolrd in different countries such as Syria Iraq etc. Coexistance between them is impossible, apparently; each tribe fights with each other.

	27-07-2004 02:59									#13
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No doubt about that at all, but remember that the lines drawn divvied up some tribes and forced some into coexistence, sometimes doing both to one tribe. The Kurds are a good example... but now we're going OT, so I'll stop there.

	27-07-2004 03:03									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi No doubt about that at all, but remember that the lines drawn divvied up some tribes and forced some into coexistence, sometimes doing both to one tribe. The Kurds are a good example... but now we're going OT, so I'll stop there.

For those Muslims continuing on your departure has been prempted..

Just stay put and a customer service agent from one of Boeing's Fine lines will be right with you

If you are not making the connection, Please feel free to continue on to your destination..

Again this is your Captain and we welcome any whom are, in fact, not making the connection!

	27-07-2004 03:26									#15
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Let's stay on topic, please.

	27-07-2004 04:10									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Let's stay on topic, please.

Nuke

Its absolutely amazing how quickly something goes from (me) posing an interesting idea (I thought) to what we should do to keep people in a group..

Ok..

I guess I asked and i guess we can do whatever is that this wish list does, stays open?

Gets tabled?

Ok..I say I would love to have this incorporated but not Ethnically but territorially!!

THATS what i am looking for a "Territorial option!!" not ethnic neigborhood stacking!!

Ok..

Peace

Gramps

	27-07-2004 04:19									#17
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Just to know, and taking advance of this OT little space...

WTF means "inmate" in this forum? (blue chart)

Love,

Braggy

	27-07-2004 04:23									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Bragelonne Just to know, and taking advance of this OT little space... WTF means "inmate" in this forum? (blue chart) Love, Braggy

I am a member of APOLYTON PLUS

click the link in my signature to find more!!

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	27-07-2004 04:55									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Its absolutely amazing how quickly something goes from (me) posing an interesting idea (I thought) to what we should do to keep people in a group.. Gramps

If you go around attaching huge political pictures to your posts, you have to expect to get people asking you to keep things on topic. Especially when they aren't even relevant to the thread.

I believe there are other forums available if you want to post political stuff.

	27-07-2004 04:59									#20
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quote: Originally posted by lajzar If you go around attaching huge political pictures to your posts, you have to expect to get people asking you to keep things on topic. Especially when they aren't even relevant to the thread. I believe there are other forums available if you want to post political stuff.

Well MY POST and it was NUKE that asked we get back on topic and I responded to another view so ifin you dun like it..there are other forums for you to post in

	27-07-2004 15:16									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Actually In my civilization world, we have good little Muslims, not Terrorists just nice little fundamentilists that in the end live as co-existers with CHRISTIANS!! Sappers however "UNABLE TO BUILD" so that we are back to Syria is a country Iraq a country i mean its not like America is gonna absorb Mexico although we should or maybe even other way around if we keep sending jobs their way! Ok back to what we were talking about..

I did not really understood what terrorists have to do with what I said... anyway they do not have something to do with civilizations being divided into many countries, right?

What I said is that a civilization is not a country with regions. It is a civilization which, like Arabs, Chinese or all others, can be divided in different countries. It's not a matter of national divisions like regions.

	27-07-2004 16:51									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Trifna I did not really understood what terrorists have to do with what I said... anyway they do not have something to do with civilizations being divided into many countries, right? What I said is that a civilization is not a country with regions. It is a civilization which, like Arabs, Chinese or all others, can be divided in different countries. It's not a matter of national divisions like regions.

Well Muslims have "Extremists" called Terrorists that wage "JIHAD" or UN-Holy Wars but not all Muslims are Terrorists..which I was saying in both of my posts, the one with an attachment and this one we are referring to..
NOT ALL MUSLIMS are terrorists which I agree, BUT the ones that are do not exists in my civilization games, no we are after all more civilized, we just use Jet fightres to bimb innocent civilians and Nukes to barbecue the whole neighborhod

Ok..enough politics enough territorial disputes over west bank ..east bank...

Lets go with Left bank.."Just walk away Renee" 1960's song btw..

Ok..I said my piece and explained what i meant versus what wuz said..

Peace
Gramps

	27-07-2004 18:51									#23
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I don't bother about if there are or not terrorists in Civ. All I say is that civilizations are not only in one administration. Look at China, which is one civilization, and you will see that it got divided in many administrative pieces ("countries") even if it is considered as one single civilization.

	28-07-2004 01:12									#24
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ok

	28-07-2004 02:21									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Trifna I don't bother about if there are or not terrorists in Civ. All I say is that civilizations are not only in one administration. Look at China, which is one civilization, and you will see that it got divided in many administrative pieces ("countries") even if it is considered as one single civilization.

This is kind of what I want, only with a somewhat screwy scale. Civilizations don't grow under one all-encompassing government in the RW, but they do in civ. Therefore, when I subdivide, say, my Scandinavian Empire into Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Bikini Team Zone and Solomheimland, they aren't independent nations, but administrative regions, more like provinces or counties. Each one has a capital/seat that helps reduce corruption, and it allows a little bit of history to be written into a snapshot of your empire.

During a war, conquered cities could be considered territories, perhaps with high corruption consequences or other pitfalls, and once the population was pacified, and maybe sufficiently assimilated, you'd be free to either leave it as a territory or integrate it fully as part or parts of existing regions, or carved into new regions. One possible wartime difference could be the loss of a territory city not causing WW. Maybe roads and railroads in territories could be partially or wholly accesible to your enemy (I doubt I like that one).

I'm just throwing things out, but there are definitely some interesting directions this could go. I think corruption's an interesting concept, with far more fun potential than the current model allows for.

	28-07-2004 02:53									#26
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as do I agree..

on that I am playing a bunch of PBEM game is CTP and the enemy is using MY Railroad system..and maybe too hard to do, but it would be cool if you could say have a penaly for the rr further out nad also if an enemy uses it charge them a price..or they dont get the benefits??

maybe too far fetched though..

(Like CIV aint far fetched anyway!!)

ok just thinking and posting..is all..

	28-07-2004 05:46									#27
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sounds like a good idea, but what about a megalopolis,
where you get two cities of sufficient size and they mould together??

	28-07-2004 05:52									#28
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quote: Originally posted by anti patriot sounds like a good idea, but what about a megalopolis, where you get two cities of sufficient size and they mould together??

Actually, and there are twp threads running on this, but would have ,maybe 3-5 cities "molding" together..

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