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MrWhereItsAt is offline MrWhereItsAt
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
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Well, as depressing as opening the save is for me right now, I remember that whatever happens or does not over the next few turns, your chances against three opponents for the rest of the game don't look too bright.

You may be smiling now, but remember that you have made three enemies pretty quickly, and your GA won't last forever....

Sweet dreams!

1275BC to Aqua.

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You are right on 2 counts....my chances against 3 opponents are less than great, and my GA won't last forever.

However, I have not made 3 enemies. You organised an alliance against me, and attacked me, because I was too strong for your liking. That's about it in a nutshell. There was plenty of land - you know that. You just need to clear the jungles, and with Industrious Workers that shouldn't be too much of a problem for the Maya.

The Greeks attacked me - not the other way round....so I can' hardly be seen to have made them an enemy. And the Celts readily admit that I have neither caused them harm, nor insulted them in any way.

No, oh great Mayan diplomat, I have not intentionally gone about making enemies. Neighbouring civs have developed into enemies for their own reasons. I'm not complaining about that - just get your facts straight

1250BC to Bogor, the magnificent and friendly Greek

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Neighbouring civs have developed into enemies for their own reasons. I'm not complaining about that - just get your facts straight



oh you be quite the politician


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Perhaps, though there's not much point being a politician when 3 civs are at war with you and won't even talk

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well I see that you and MWIA are talking

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Talking words of fire, yes

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However, I have not made 3 enemies. You organised an alliance against me, and attacked me, because I was too strong for your liking.


Odd that you seem to think that I lead an alliance against you, when the Greeks declared war first, and there were skirmishes with the Celts long before I was concerned that you'd taken too much land near to my core. If that propaganda helps convince your people to fight then I am sure it works - sadly it does not wash in reality, where I declared war only because my reticence to attack a neighbour could no longer balance the sheer weight of actions that you were developing into an agressor in every sense.

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That's about it in a nutshell. There was plenty of land - you know that. You just need to clear the jungles, and with Industrious Workers that shouldn't be too much of a problem for the Maya.


You are correct here, but I imagine there is plenty of land across the other side of the world too, and it would be just as corrupt and useless to me. The issue is not the amount of land, but the placement. You deliberately pushed your borders into and through my own, reducing my core and productive land. I did not.

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Well then, I guess we shall have to agree to disagree.

More importantly, where do we go from here? Are you intent on both of us using our entire GA merely for a military build-up and battle while other nations grow strong? Are you intent on removing the Iroquois from the face of the earth? Or is there some position of compromise we can reach?

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Here, have a beer.

woo hoo

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To Paddy. Happy New Year!!! I think I've had enough beers!

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cheers lads

just back from them their mountains

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Mountains? You have mountains in Australia? I seen nothing but hills.

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Mountains? You have mountains in Australia? I seen nothing but hills.


well if you really are in Melbourne then I am not at all surprised by this statement

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The largest "Mountain" in Oz? A couple of years ago some Kiwi (and a Queenslander) friends of mine jogged up it.

That ain't no mountain.

To Aqua.

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ok ok a range of flat hills then

just do not fall off the edges then

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1225BC quietly sent to Bogor

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ahhh

and why quietly old chap?

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1225BC to Aqua.

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to Bogor....ah war is becoming tiresome. Anyone for peace?

Bogor....I would appreciate some reply to my advances.

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[ooc] Actually, this is getting a bit boring guys. Nothing worse than a 3 on 1 dogpile where no-one will talk to you. Makes it unmotivating to play the turns quickly [/ooc]

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[ooc] Actually, this is getting a bit boring guys. Nothing worse than a 3 on 1 dogpile where no-one will talk to you. Makes it unmotivating to play the turns quickly [/ooc]


I agree totally. Nothing like a war where you go one step forwards and two steps backwards every turn. However, given my core situation, I currently see no alternative to fighting on and HOPING other than resigning myself to having sh*t land distributed in a sh*t way, resulting in insignificance. That doesn't sound worth playing for.

Should I just give up and ruin the game for everyone? I could be wrong, but I don't think either Paddy or Bogor would like that, so unless an alternative presents itself, I'll plod on with my glimmer of hope.

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The save sent to me was not recognisable to civ3, so I've emailed to Aqua to resave & resend.

Aqua, depsite my warnings to you, you initiated war on me & now I'm bringing the war to you with my obviuosly superior diplomacy skills. You are the major threat in this game at this time so there is no possibility of peace between us. You made this situation for yourself, so deal with it!
If I was in your situation I would relish the challenge of fighting 3 enemies as this would be my only hope of glory.

Good Luck!

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Aqua, depsite my warnings to you, you initiated war on me & now I'm bringing the war to you with my obviuosly superior diplomacy skills. You are the major threat in this game at this time so there is no possibility of peace between us. You made this situation for yourself, so deal with it!

Wrong. You declared war on me and captured my Worker. At no time was I threatening you, nor intending to make war with you.

As for your superior diplomacy skills....don't count your chickens

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Good Luck!

Ah, but what is glory without a little banter?


To MWIA I say: You can read Lord Bogor's message yourself. It is plain for all to see - he has admitted to using diplomacy to get you to fight his war. I hope you enjoy being used this way and having your armies crushed while his stack makes its leisurely way towards my lands

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To Paddy.

You walked through my territory uninvited, then you attacked me. All you had to do was stay outside my territory & we would still be at peace.
I thought you would of given up on your obvious ploys at getting us offside but I guess you're desperate. As allies in this war we trust each other, your words, which are judged in light of your past actions, do not mean much to us.

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Ah, but what is glory without a little banter?






ahh the arogance


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You walked through my territory uninvited, then you attacked me.

How can you continue to espouse such an obvious lie? I have tried politely on several occasions to point out your misconception, but your continued assertions to the contrry have made it obvious that you fully intend to lie about this issue.

For the record, here is your notification of your attack on my Worker causing war between us, posted on the 18th of December:
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Due to insistent infringement upon my lands, a small measure of action has been taken upon the pesky Iroqoui peoples to help them realise their foolishness at infringing upon the indomitable Greeks.

As allies in a war against me you are quite entitled to work together, trust each other and even believe what you want to believe. But please don't simply lie and expect to get away with it unchallenged.


As a further example of your dishonourable intentions, I give you 2 more inconsistent quotes from your own hand:
quote:
All you had to do was stay outside my territory & we would still be at peace.

Which is rather inconsistent with......
quote:
You are the major threat in this game at this time so there is no possibility of peace between us.

...wouldn't you agree?


Which of course, makes this.....
quote:
You made this situation for yourself, so deal with it!

...obviously completely untrue.


Still.....I am, and will continue to, deal with it.

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ahh the arogance


Not at all, my friend. I am merely stating my case logically in the face of unfair and untrue slander.

 
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